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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (77888)	9/13/2006 1:03:15 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

The Vietnam War was lost in the streets of Berkeley Uh..I see...the gooks couldn't beat us, it was them damn hippies. Or would YOU like to point out just which battle it was they lost? Many battles make up a war. And the US lost their fair share of them in Vietnam. To say otherwise is to be ignorant. Guerilla warfare doesn't fit in the definition of classic battle strategies. In that kind of war very soldier lost is a battle lost.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (77888)	9/15/2006 12:57:47 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

was lost in the streets of Berkeley, not the battlefields of Vietnam. there's a throwback line haven't heard in a while , beware the thinkers , radicals of Berkeley ! lol. * we were feinted again one more time by fear propaganda into an extended asian conflict in VN , made heavily stretched & depleted because of it when the ME was always the focus=oil ....there was a certain problem with the heavy drinking two fisted (scotch&soda) cold war cowboy mentality still pervading the higher echelons of our "intelligence" community (and military) that lacked a certain finesse in grasping the "big picture" ....with understanding new approaches to fundamental diplomacy that could have been handled differently outside that entrenched mode of military intervention & intelligence in the changing world . One might even call it "alcohol diplomacy" .... N Korea was an action that certainly had to be taken given the impetus of those times , later leading into VN . But let's not underestimate the idealism that is fundamental to all human beings & moderated approaches that did come out of WWII with our role as protector of the free world (much still tribal) could be eventually compromised by such ill concieved & badly thought out plans by throwback drunks of a different era that believed in a different kind of heavy handed & coldwar diplomacy .. In the end Nixon sent the right message for approaching China with respect to them as a partner and attempting to normalize relations . There will always be competition between societies . The battle might have been lost in VN , but much was learned from the failure . Higher standards and wider range of considerations how to approach the dilemas & impasse of foreign relations with restraint before charging headlong into battle commiting personnel . Perhaps those battles between ideologies there has risen in the debates a greater commitment , depth , intelligence & professionalism from those diologues out the ashes , being the "peackeepers" & protectors of human rights and civil liberties of a still fragmented world . And we think & plan first before we react. And now 40yrs later in VN , you still see "the enemy" ? Instead , we fell into the trap headlong.