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To: JeffA who wrote (757)	9/13/2006 4:10:37 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10087

Nothing is highly underrated, since it is upon the canvas of nothingness that every thing may be depicted. So for a big bang you have to think of what nothing would be like even before you can imagine the something we call a universe to explode from it. The universe of space and matter is observable to us because the distinct parts are noticeable from sun to particle by their positions in space. As they collapse into something more uniform and therefore less distinct, we are less able to notice them as relative parts of the universe separated by space...driven apart by differences. Their movements away from uniformity or collapses into uniformity are noticeable as space/time events. Through entropy diversity is diminished and distinct parts disappear, as does their distinct position in space. In otherwords they become so much a part of the whole that they have no identity of their own... a sound blending in becomes no sound, a ripple in the lake eventually disappears, and becomes 'nothing', it no longer exists as a distinct piece of the universe. Absolute uniformity of the universe becomes a oneness that defies description. So a gumball state of the Universe preparing to bang represents a small very uniform view of existence bound in a tiny space. If the gumball achieves perfect uniformity 'singularity' it needs no space at all and its material parts are indistinguishable. Science has not way to describe this state of existence except to refer to it as nothing. We can also speculate that time must have a similar course that leads to an end. In order for this to occur material in space must become so uniform that it is no longer distinguishable. At such a time we can no longer notice it, or an occupying space. This is the premise behind black holes btw. So, for time to begin it must have an alpha state for which we have no mechanism of detection but we can allude to it as perfect and singular uniformity. For time to end material and space must return to this singular uniformity allowing for zero occupation in space. That would support a banging and collapsing claim. However it does not eliminate the possibility of repeated inflations toward the omega of existence and collapses to the alpha of existence. Neither possibility necessarily, obliterating the other, nor does it obliterate claims of an extra-temporal force.

To: JeffA who wrote (757)	9/13/2006 4:22:29 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

I don't want any other topic other than how you can hang your hat on "a giant bang occurred, and here we are." What happened to the topic of evolution? Was that resolved?

To: JeffA who wrote (757)	9/14/2006 5:52:34 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

I can't explain the origin of the Universe. Nobody else can, either. I mean, you could argue that God created the Universe, but then you'd have to explain who created God? And if you say, "God always was and always will be," why can't I say, "the Universe always was and always will be"? The latest thinking on our Universe is that it's only one of many that co-exist, side by side. They call them "Bubble-verses." They pop into being, and pop back out of existence again, just like bubbles, but the material they're made of is always there.