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To: JeffA who wrote (917)	9/15/2006 11:21:21 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

Their understanding is based on some leaps of faith, just like mine. There is a conceptual difference between probability and faith. I don't question that some work lacks scientific and intellectual integrity it should because scientists, after all, are human. But science, itself, isn't remotely about faith. Gaps are not filled in by faith. Faith has no basis but faith. It is inherently extra-rational. Scientific gaps are filled in by rational extrapolation or probability and are subject to change based on evidence or other new and better understanding. That is not faith. I think that the failure to differentiate between scientific theorizing and faith is a distortion and perhaps a cop out, to boot.

To: JeffA who wrote (917)	9/15/2006 1:29:06 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

We simply do not know, that is why when "scientists" dismiss, out of hand, the Biblical account and hold their views as superior, I take offense. You have two choices, and only two. One: You can believe that only what is contained in the Bible is true, and it's literally true, and anything that contradicts the Bible, read literally, is false. Two: Or you can believe that what you see with your own eyes and your own senses, as extended by scientific instruments, is true, and that, where it contradicts the literal Bible, the Bible must be taken figuratively. Pope John Paul II resolved this a decade or so ago by declaring that "truth does not contradict truth." This was in a pastoral letter, not a papal bull, so it doesn't carry the same spiritual weight for Catholics as a papal bull, but it's still compelling and persuasive. God created the Universe, God created physical matter. The Devil cannot create. He is only a fallen angel. He, himself, was created. Thus, everything we see was created by God, and we should believe in it. There's no reason to believe that one of God's "days" is limited by our understanding of our own days.