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To: Win Smith who wrote (203106)	9/15/2006 9:47:35 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 — The Senate Armed Services Committee defied President Bush on Thursday, with four Republicans joining Democrats in approving a plan for the trial and interrogation of terrorism suspects that the White House has rejected as unacceptable Contrast the American position with this. How exactly does the US get any information from people to whom this kind of thing is routine..... REUTERS BAGHDAD — The bound bodies of dozens more torture victims were found in Baghdad in the past day, officials said today, fuelling anarchic sectarian anger as political leaders square off over an issue some say could mean civil war. In all, police retrieved 50 bodies in the 24 hours to this morning, most shot in the head after being trussed and tortured, a senior Interior Ministry official told Reuters. That took the body count in the city for three days to at least 130. The U.S. military acknowledged a "spike" in the murder rate this week, despite a month-old security crackdown in the capital for which Washington sent in thousands of extra troops. Six died on Thursday, four around Baghdad, including two in a suicide car bomb attack that also wounded 25 Americans. At Baghdad police headquarters, sources said their latest tally for the 24 hours to 7 a.m. was 49 bodies. The police and Interior Ministry total was 20 on Thursday after 60 on Wednesday — the latter a figure that made headlines and drew renewed international attention to violence the United Nations has estimated may be killing 100 Iraqis a day. "It's barbaric but sadly we've become used to it," the Interior Ministry official said of bodies found around the capital, in both Sunni and Shi'ite areas. "Forty bodies, 60 bodies — it's become a daily routine." The White House, defending its Iraq policy from fierce criticism ahead of November's congressional elections, called the body counts "horrible". A few other corpses have been pulled from rivers, including a headless, legless male corpse at Mussayab late on Thursday. Although some of the violence is the work of criminal gangs taking advantage of the anarchy to make money from kidnapping and extortion

To: Win Smith who wrote (203106)	9/15/2006 9:53:50 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It all depends on how you define "torture", or what Bush defines as "torture". This is a man that tortured frogs and small animals as a child. Now that he's President, people are just a natural progression for him.. It gets Iraq off the front page, and his fearmongering is likely to enlist the support of people like Itchy, that think it's perfectly OK for America to act just like the terrorists. We're lucky we have a John McCain and a Colin Powell around, people who've actually SERVED in the military, to say NO to the chimp Nero.