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To: Doug R who wrote (203128)	9/16/2006 10:32:00 AM
From: HH	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

DougR, I have little to tell you except I think you are a triple idiot. You (and that video ) are pretending to be demolition experts. I believe it takes a good bit more training and experience than watching some videos and drawing useful conclusions. You should seek help soon, your paranoia will only cause you great suffering.

To: Doug R who wrote (203128)	9/16/2006 11:43:56 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Doug.. You're believing a lie.. Two points. Were the WTC rigged for demolition beforehand, there would not have been that effect of having all that debris spreading out to the sides as the building collapsed. Demolitions are set up to cause the debris to fall inward. When performing demolitions of a building, you don't start the detonations from the top down because you're less able to control the physics. As you see from the photos, having that top section of the WTC collapsed into the lower sections created a lateral debris "plume" and the mass of the upper section "plowed" into the lower sections, essentially causing massive displacement (I think that's the proper term) that causes debris and material from the tower. The WTC was designed as a "perimeter frame-tube" system, with the primary bearing supports located in the outer walls, although at lower levels there was a inner core structural foundation to bear that upper mass of weight. Thus, had this been a controlled demolition, the charges would have initiated from bottom to top, causing the building to fall into a structural "vacuum", and inward upon itself, and instead of "pancaking" downward on lower levels, the floors would have "stacked" one on top of the other at the foundation.. This was not a "stacking" demolition, or you would have seem the entire building sink downward and "stack" during the collapse. My second point.. Assuming that the building was "pre-wired" for detonation, where were these charges placed? On every floor? At the top only? In the middle.. On the ground? How would they ACTUALLY KNOW where the aircraft would hit the buildings? What if they hit them where the explosive charges were located and initiated a premature detonation?? And if it detonated only one side of those charges, you would have the possibility of causing the upper levels of the building to collapse sideways from the point of impact. Third.. John O'Neil was the Head of Security for the WTC. He was one of the foremost Counter-Terrorist experts the FBI had before his retirement. Being able to plant the demolition charges necessary to bring down both of the WTC towers would have required WEEKS of access to non-public portions of the building, stringing up detonation wires (ring main) and actually placing the charges. But NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, would happen in those buildings without John O'Neil being notified. And since the guy died in that attack, I find it very difficult to believe that he would sacrifice his own life to cover-up some conspiracy. Hawk