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To: IRWIN JAMES FRANKEL who wrote (21299)	9/17/2006 2:34:55 PM
From: nigel bates	Respond to of 52153

The Times wasn't quite so impressed - timesonline.co.uk His address is undermined further by a serious error in regards to the Koran. “Sura 2,256 . . . is one of the suras of the early period, when Muhammad was still powerless and under threat.” In fact, this sura [Koranic chapter] is held by Muslim scholars to be from the middle period, around the 24th year of Muhammad’s prophethood in 624 or 625, when he was in Medina and in control of a state. Contrary to what the Pope said, this was written when Muhammad was in a position of strength, not weakness... As usual, I have a certain amount of sympathy with both sides of the debate. On the one hand, freedom of speech is not negotiable, and its limits are certainly not to be set by whoever is quickest to take offense. On the other hand, at a time when (whatever the justification) the 'West' is occupying various parts of the Moslem world, it's probably not a great idea to poke a stick into the religious wasp's nest. Particularly when you are trying to stimulate a debate on religious reason, not stir up a mob. I read the speech too, and thought the choice of quotation naive. Back on the first hand, my sense of irony was tickled by those Moslems who protested against the imputed violence of Islam... by burning a few churches. I see now that the Pope has apologised - news.bbc.co.uk "These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought." - and that some Moslems have said that this does not go far enough. What do they want him to do... convert ??

To: IRWIN JAMES FRANKEL who wrote (21299)	9/17/2006 3:27:30 PM
From: Ian@SI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 52153

CNN is reporting that a nun working in a Somali hospital has been shot. 2 people arrested. Islamic leaders are demanding an apology from the pope for an historically accurate quote. Will any of these leaders apologize for this atrocity should the perpetrators turn out to be muslim? Has any muslim leader ever apologized for any of the many atrocities committed in the name of Islam? Has any one of them ever shown any hint of the tolerance that they demand from others? IF they don't wish to be regarded as evil, then they need to stop doing profoundly evil acts.