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Technology Stocks : ZAP - 'Zero Air Pollution' vehicles -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jmhollen who wrote (167)	9/25/2006 10:15:41 PM
From: sageyrain	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 201

Wow, ..that's certainly interesting, We have a power company that should be renamed Brown-Out, Inc., with Enron connections, trying to convince the lefty-liberal nutcases in Frootz-n'-Flakes, Kaleephonya to harass the automakers into building more 200-max-mile round-trip capable cars. I wonder how many of the unquestionable exspurts have considered that these 'DuraCell humbuggies' have to be recharged by 31% maximum energy-conversion efficiency, fossil-fueled Power Plants contributing to acid rain in 95% of the real portion of the USA. Perhaps Baabaawaa Boxhead has discovered a new herd of Brontosauruses in LaBrea, or someone has convinced the utility company to update Millions of dollars worth of years-old pollution control equipment to strip the additional pollutants out of their already stale air. As an EE who loves paleontology, and occasionally helps to builds power plants, ..I'm impressed..!!! The Church of Scientology and Couuch-bouncer Cruise have to be involved in this somewhere..!!! Wow, that's interesting, being compared to a scientologist <g> I am quite excited by the prospect of PHEV's so I am very interested in understanding your reaction to the idea. I don't want to waste energy over energy waste if its all just vapor <g> 1) Why did you start the ZAP thread if you are so negative on electric vehicle technology? ALL electric vehicles, according to your information, would be 100% "recharged by 31% maximum energy-conversion efficiency, fossil-fueled Power Plants contributing to acid rain in 95% of the real portion of the USA", versus less for the HPEVs. 2)Sorry, I am not very well versed in power plant technology. When you say "recharged by 31% maximum energy-conversion efficiency, fossil-fueled Power Plants contributing to acid rain in 95% of the real portion of the USA", with what kind of statistics for energy conversion and pollution should I compare it to for say a standard petro powered car? 3) You are familiar with PG&E coal-fired sulfur emissions data. Is it possible for you to speculate on how much of this emission is ameliorated by their hydro power and wind power purchases? I have heard that am much as 25% of their power is produced by hydro, wind, etc, is this realistic? .....and does the fact that most of the recharching will take place at offpeak (night) hours help the pollution equation at all? 4) What really excites me in the mid- to long-term for HPEVs is the convergence of HPEV technology with the inexorable lowering of solar and wind power and energy storage costs. The thought of a revolution of homeowners and apartment dwellers with rooftop solar panels and mini windmills charging banks of batteries to recharge their HPEV's indeed has me giddy <g>. The thought of being largely independent of the Oily Giants is exhilirating (Okay, enough of that optimism). Am I merely indulging in pipe dreams? I admit this is very possible in that I am at the volts for dolts level of technological prowess. Pray tell, how badly have I strayed as a result of this cult induced euphoria? Oooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmm. Sincerely, Richherd cudman

To: jmhollen who wrote (167)	10/3/2006 2:58:55 AM
From: sageyrain	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 201

You like to pick on California so: "Electric vehicles produce little or no pollution directly; most of the pollution associated with their use is created at the power plant that provides their electricity. In the case of localities with high percentages of electricity coming from very clean energy source,s the emissions associated with electric vehicles is negligible. A good example of this scenario is California, which derives only about 20% of its electricity from so-called dirty sources like coal and oil [2]. The primary sources of electricity in California are natural gas-burning power plants and hydroelectric generators; both are clean sources of energy. A study from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Environmental Defense Fund indicates that the replacement of all internal combustion engine vehicles with electric vehicles in the Los Angeles Basin may cause reductions of between 37% and 99% in all categories of transportation related pollutants except for sulfur oxides [3]. A more detailed comparison of the amount of pollutants emitted by electric vehicles and modern, catalyst equipped, internal combustion engine vehicles is given in table 1. The distinction, the the L.A. Basin, is important because there is very little coal-fired [poor word choice] electricity used in Los Angeles. The study also noted that most of the pollutants caused by the electric vehicles came from the small component of electricity generated by coal-fired power plants. These predictions [poor word choice] highlight the potential cleanliness of electric vehicles when charged with a clean power source." physics.ohio-state.edu "I wonder how many of the unquestionable exspurts have considered that these 'DuraCell humbuggies' have to be recharged by 31% maximum energy-conversion efficiency, fossil-fueled Power Plants contributing to acid rain in 95% of the real portion of the USA." For California, at least, EV's appear to make great sense to this novice (I am assuming that most charging will occur at night during off peak electrical demand). So are you questionable? What am I missing as far as this California example goes?