To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9388 ) 9/18/2006 2:57:54 AM From: TobagoJack Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 217699 Hello HMoon, <<NOW.. as someone who ACTUALLY had interaction at various levels with people who dealt with these detainees, this was not an opinion that seemed to pervade our operations>> ... gee, what a surprise! Do you figure you can conclude any other way? Do you suppose the Germans had said the same sort of stuff while in Poland?<<counter-insurgency>> ... silly me, and here I thought it was a simple invasion, ala Poland way back when.<<But I know the people I worked with generally had some pretty good information>> ... I think somewhere along the way you had lost your way. Good information? You are surely joking, by way of 'we have ways to make you talk' or 'talk to me and I will do you a favor'?<<... any number of other people staying at the same residence of the guy(s) we were after would be grabbed and we just couldn't leave them there. So they would be detained and if not found of any immediate value, they would be sent to Abu G or Bucca for further processing.>> ... processing ... is an interest word, displayed in front of an old concept. I think the world now knows what evil happens in processing.<<... scoff at 11 million Arabs actually having the opportunity to elect their own government under VERY difficult circumstances>> ... you don't mean while being invaded, having their daughters raped, and old men killed off, during the darkness of night, by courageous men in full armor, backed up by heli-gunships, against more basic folks in pajamas, as civil structure is forcefully torn down and all slips into civil carnage? Like I had mentioned, the word 'fortunate' came easily to mind.<<Thus, my point is that if some Arabs can manage to hold a national election under generally free and fair conditions [edit by J: LOLOLOL ... while under rule of an invasion force ... which then manages to screw up the slam dunk and is well on way to put in place a theocracy] , what's holding China up?>> ... perhaps a history of fighting off invaders at the gate, in Korea and Vietnam, to a draw, by strategy and determination, sacrifice, and courage, and so lacking of an invasion by folks who now know better, I suppose. Some hold up. Or I did I mean holdup ;0) I am wondering what the spin will be when parts of Iraq spins off to join Iran, metaphorically speaking, by way of elections. Chugs, J