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To: thames_sider who wrote (1177)	9/18/2006 4:43:02 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

Clusters of immigrants - of all kinds - we have, living in close proximity, and often overcrowded, and maybe a lot of those immgrants are poor. As you'd expect if you have a lot of people without many usable skills and without much money. "If that's close to your meaning by 'ghetto' then so what? Proves and means nothing." So your definition of "ghetto" is only LEGALLY defined ones? FANTASTIC! We've achieved Paradise! There are no ghettoes left! Get real. Was Watts in Los Angeles a ghetto? It certainly wasn't because a state law or city ordinance said blacks HAD to live there. Do you remember what happened there? "Basically new immigrants tend to congregate together on original arrival in a strange land;" Yeah; at least NYC used to have Jewish ghttoes too. Probably no longer; the open CAPITALIST system of this country was exactly what they needed; they worked, saved, and got out. What, in 30 years? Most Bangladeshi immigrants here only came over in the 1970's, we're barely seeing 2nd generation. 30 years? Likely. It took the Irish longer than that to overcome anti-Catholoic prejudice. Funny; Muslims in THIS country are better educated and paid than the average American. Maybe you've got a problem. What's the education level of the average American if they're surpassed by an off-the-boat illiterate farm worker? You're the one with the problem. "Don't be foolish: look at the origins of your Muslim immigrants, compared to most of ours. We got poor refugees from farms to work in factories, not students seeking green cards. Many Ugandan immigrants here are also Muslim (chucked out by Idi Amin) and again above-average education by this time, but they have an advantageous culture and were richer/educated to start with. Clear if you only think about it." I am perfectly well aware of this; it is much easier to get to England from N. Africa than here, so we get the cream of the crop. OTOH, our closeness to Mexico works against us; they are right across an imaginary line and eager to come. About 20 miles from here is the largest Afghan concentration in the US- -about 15,000. Chucked out by the Taliban. And doing nicely. The main Arab haters here are the neo-fascists, the BNP. And yep, they are relatively common up north, as representatives of the declining post-industrial age. These are the people who'd be allying with Hitler. I'm a little startled you speak of them with such admiration, as though they represent somethign to be in any way admired or a role model. If you want to associate with them, feel free. Don't admit to being Jewish, or educated. Use short words and swear a lot. I'm sure you'll fit right in. Wash your hands afterwards, is my advice. Maybe you ought to go up there; I think you'll find some of your countrymen who AREN'T Nazis and AREN'T happy about what is happening in the south of their country. You might want to bring your track shoes though. Once they here from you they may decide capital punishment was eliminated too early. What have you done to make your country so great? You've elected a leader desperate to take it down the pan, starting by ripping up your Constitution by getting rid of all the bits about liberty or freedom, I see. Now you're also an expert on the US. When WAS the last time you were here? Have you ever been here? You think all these posts from Americans critical of the gov't show up on SI because this is a dictatorship? Are you really a clown or just playing at it? unless of course you're in the right party and wear the right badge, and never do or say anything that might give your newly-empowered Stasi the right to lock you away (without trial, of course; those are 'soft'). Haven't you noticed? And now you see phantoms anywhere while you and he build mental barricades against reality. The only ones coming to take you away will be your own kind, when you step out of line. More BS from the British representative from the Communist Party who has studied America all his life. And you constantly invoke 'fascism' as the enemy. We don't, actually? Did you enjoy the tube bombings? How about the latest plot to blow up airliners? A lot of Brits would have been aboard in addition to a lot of Americans. Or do their lives count for nothing? Only people who agree with you count? And YOU accuse US of fascism? Why IS that, I wonder? Is it perhaps like that closet homosexuality that manifests as homophobia, a desperate attempt to prove what you're not by seeing that evil everywhere else? <edit> a way to divert attention... after all, how could you possibly BE what you rail AGAINST? GFY.