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To: zeta1961 who wrote (179596)	9/18/2006 6:45:30 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793996

It is painfully obvious that the Muslim culture is living in a different century. For anyone to be overly concerned about the reaction is missing the point........it is almost comical. It is not weak to confront the problems of Islam. It is not weak when you try to have some kind of dialogue, or to try for a beginning. It is not weak for everyone to peacefully address the underlying issues that divide us, without which the causes of violence and terrorism will continue. It is not weak to try. The Pope knows these things. With the exception of a few, I don't see anyone else stepping forward and trying. Probably because they would be insulted, or disenfranchised, or ignored, or have to go into hiding. It is no wonder that the PC crowd moans and whines and talks about how destructive it is to do so. The apparently motive-less PC crowd. The Muslim reactionaries remind me of children holding hands being led through a maze being told that if they let go of each other they will be lost forever or worse their families will beaten and tortured to death in front of their eyes. The problem we are dealing with is intrinsic to the Muslim religion. Their leaders demand ignorance and intolerance........their puppets don't know it and so remain indignant and adamant. For anyone to feign surprise that portions of the Muslim population would react the way they did ignores the fact that Islam has very deep problems that need fixing. And to deny the opportunity to talk together, regardless of hurt feelings, goes against everything our civilization has learned. The only way to do that is to confront them directly and ask: is this not possible? Go ahead and insult me.......you already have......but I ask.......IS THIS NOT POSSIBLE? The NYTs in their naivete or cowardliness asks its readers: is Islam a violent religion? This is good. By his actions, the Pope has raised questions. Intellectuals will try to answer. Maybe the entire world's population will pay attention to the scholars? Maybe some Muslims will start questioning? This too is good. Like most everyone else, I would rather solve this problem peacefully, so I do not give up. And I will not shut my mouth. Thankfully..........neither will the Pope.

To: zeta1961 who wrote (179596)	9/18/2006 7:04:11 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793996

I have no idea if you are being sincere or patronizing..really..when I asked you what you'd do 'with this issue'..you responded with 'what issue?', etc, etc..hence, my confusion as you've been discussing this all day.. What I've been discussing all day is whether Geoff's conclusion about the Pope's purpose is on target. You ask me what I'd do with "this issue." Applying your question to my issue with Geoff does not compute. Surely that isn't the issue you had in mind. I was discussing with DMA the utility of outrage as a response to perceived insult. Is that "this issue." In the course of our colloquy you mentioned several points you thought the Pope was trying to make. Perhaps one of them is what you had in mind. I don't know. Thus my question, "which issue." Are you a lawyer?-g- I've heard this so often from a past lawyer liasons.. My career was spent as an analyst, a computer systems analyst early on. You asked me for a design--what I would have done or some such. My response is automatically "design for what?". For some reason you are poking at me for being unresponsive when you haven't told me "which issue." That doesn't seem reasonable to me. If you ask me a straight-forward question, I'll try to respond. Otherwise, I'll assume you're just trolling. I haven't got a clue re: what to do about the issue I bring to the forefront of administrators/legislators[children's human rights is my baby] Can't say I've ever given that one a thought. Generic human rights is a tough enough nut.