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To: TimF who wrote (303690)	9/19/2006 9:07:37 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572953

re: We did that after the previous wars were over... During it during an active war isn't a third option, its the 2nd that I already mentioned As Ted said, since we have engaged in an eternal "war on terrorism", then the fake "war" will never end. Terrorism isn't new, in fact terrorism acts have declined in frequency from previous periods. Terrorism will never end, never has, the "war" will never end. In the "war on drugs" (equally fake) do you suggest we retain prisoners without habeas corpus? Where exactly do you draw the line? Lots of folks are against the war in Iraq, which is the "front line in the 'war against terrorism'... the administration suggests that is helping the enemy. Can those folks be imprisoned without habeas corpus? Why not? re: Holding captured enemy combatants is civilized behavior. The uncivilized version is to kill them, or perhaps enslave them. That's exactly what I'm talking about, lowering standards of civilized behaviour. We have been making progress, during and after WWII. Now we are back stepping. "Killing or enslaving" enemy combatants has not been part of the American ethic. The whole world is fighting a couple of 100,000 (maybe, at best) international terrorists. If we treat it as what it is, a concerted international effort to get some nasty international vandals, then we can continue to build on the US and European success in building a civilized and peaceful world. Since Vietnam, things have been steadily, progressively getting better. Lot's more democracies, lots more freedom, better living conditions. Eastern Europe has made a huge step forward... without wars. Or we can back fall into old patterns... and fight "wars" that are not real, and give up our principles. Eastern Europe didn't progress by becoming less free... they progressed by accepting things like habeas corpus. We can move on the path of paranoid nationalism, raging against the next windmill. We can follow the path of every other purported "benevolent" super power, world hegemony and the path to ruin. Or we can continue the progress towards a better world. I'm an old fart born in 1949; I was raised to think we were better. That we were destined to be the ultimate benevolent superpower. I was always taught that we would never give up on basic human freedoms; that we would die before we would let that happen. That was my America. Looks like I was wrong. I'm depressed and disappointed, to say the least.