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To: Proud Deplorable who wrote (2429)	9/21/2006 5:02:58 PM
From: J.B.C.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 50730

>>Sorry but until someone tells me why Building 7 was demolished by explosives I will not read popular mechanics<< Yes, of course, it might hurt the psyche to actually read about data and facts that refutes the CT's claim. So what you're saying is that you're unwilling to look at a data and facts until someone gives you data and facts? Yeah, that makes sense,... duh. View the video of the loose change rebut. There is plenty of video that shows the Building 7 collapse and how it's not a controlled demo as the CT's claim. That is not evasive. That is a direct link to facts that refute the CT's claims. >>Why did Building 7 collapse 7 hours later in 8 seconds?<< Who said it did? You? Here's the seismic data: firehouse.com The actual collapse took 18 seconds although the building actually began serious decay and seismic activity 30 seconds prior (review the FEMA report linked below). And, per police interviews the building started decaying hours prior. Did Dylan Avery ever site seismic data ANYWHERE that supported his claim of a 6 second collapse? I'll answer it for you, NO. And you tell me not to be evasive, yet take the word of a 22 year old film producer, who provided zero proof, versus an engineer (me), with 30+ years of experience that can link actual data. Ok, call me stupid, but I don't follow that logic? >> Buildings don't just fall down<< Ahh, actually they do, and have throughout history. But, buildings that received the structural damage that 7 did from the collapse of WTC along with 7 hours of heavy fire definitely will. Here's a picture of WTC 7, care to stand on your NYC friend's claim the fires were small? debunking911.com Here a picture of the collapse-in-progress of WTC 1 from a helicopter: debunk911myths.org Still think none of that debris was hitting WTC 7? Here's a diagram that shows the damage zone (outer circle): debunking911.com Here's the FEMA report, it's a report put together by engineers and specialist. fema.gov Note the fires, shortly after WTC 1 collapse in figure 5-22. This is from the side, the fires were unfought for 7 hours. Do you still stand by your NYC friend that the fires were small? >>There is no evidence that the building was damaged structurally and that’s because it fell down so no one would be able to figure out what happened to it. << There isn't? Actually there is, in addition to 7 hours of unfought fires, review the FEMA report, there's plenty of photos of damage to Building 7 that's not obstructed by the HUGE amounts of BILLOWING SMOKE from those tiny fires your friend spoke of. OK, all of this data was available by you reviewing my prior links. Please don't call me evasive if you're unwilling to look at actual data. As I've always said, it's ok to be wrong, it's not ok to stay wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence. Jim

To: Proud Deplorable who wrote (2429)	9/22/2006 8:22:29 AM
From: J.B.C.	Respond to of 50730

>>Oh BTW where did they find the so called DNA of the hijackers? They said they found it at the WTC site...do you believe this?<< Gee, where did they get the DNA from all the 911 victims? The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site. arlingtoncemetery.net ....more than 1,100 people still haven’t been identified out of the 2,749 people who were killed. geneticsandhealth.com Forensic experts in New York say they have identified body parts of two of the 10 hijackers who flew planes into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001. The FBI had collected the DNA from tiny traces of skin on the steering wheels of vehicles hired by the hijackers and from hair samples recovered from their hotel rooms. news.bbc.co.uk