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To: one_less who wrote (1480)	9/21/2006 2:52:20 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10087

That's what SCOTUS said when they decided Hamdan, that it should go to Congress to get clarification. And that's what Bush is trying to do now - get clarification. Unfortunately, the same gang who filibustered Bush's judicial picks are now against this. Curious that the same Republicans who supported judicial filibusters also support civil rights for jihadis.

To: one_less who wrote (1480)	9/21/2006 2:53:04 PM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 10087

And that is why Congress MUST define what are the perameters of Article 3 of the GC. Including Misters, McCain, Graham and Warner. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ McCain & the End of the CIA's Terrorist Detainee Intelligence Effort [Andy McCarthy] From the FinanCIAl Times (italics mine): The Bush administration had to empty its secret prisons and transfer terror suspects to the military-run detention centre at Guantánamo this month in part because CIA interrogators had refused to carry out further interrogations and run the secret facilities, according to former CIA offiCIAls and people close to the programme. The former offiCIAls said the CIA interrogators' refusal was a factor in forcing the Bush administration to act earlier than it might have wished. When Mr Bush announced the suspension of the secret prison programme in a speech before the fifth anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks, some analysts thought he was trying to gain political momentum before the November midterm congressional elections. The administration publicly explained its decision in light of the legal uncertainty surrounding permissible interrogation techniques following the June Supreme Court ruling that all terrorist suspects in detention were entitled to protection under Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions. But the former CIA offiCIAls said Mr Bush's hand was forced because interrogators had refused to continue their work until the legal situation was clarified because they were concerned they could be prosecuted for using illegal techniques. One intelligence source also said the CIA had refused to keep the secret prisons going. Senior offiCIAls and Mr Bush himself have come close to admitting this by saying CIA interrogators sought legal clarity. But no offiCIAl has confirmed on the record how and when the secret programme actually came to an end. John Negroponte, director of national intelligence, who was interviewed by Fox News on Sunday, said in response to a question of whether CIA interrogators had refused to work: "I think the way I would answer you in regard to that question is that there's been precious little activity of that kind for a number of months now, and certainly since the Supreme Court decision." In an interview with the FinanCIAl Times, John Bellinger, legal adviser to the state department, went further, saying there had been "very little operational activity" on CIA interrogations since the passage last December of a bill proposed by Senator John McCain outlawing torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners. ME: Regarding the FT's recounting of Bellinger's remarks, recall that torture already was illegal long before the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act. What the DTA's McCain Amendment did was grant alien terrorists U.S. constitutional protections against "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment." The vagueness of these terms — not the prohibition of torture — is what, quite predictably, has paralyzed intelligence collection. corner.nationalreview.com