To: mph who wrote (1581 ) 9/22/2006 4:44:10 PM From: one_less Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10087 Ahhh. I think you have hit on the thing that would give most people an uneasy feeling about such a rule. It could be abused in so many ways. For example, It could be used as a gambit for a particular side of L/R to use against the other side or even for one poster to use to trip up another side's train of logic. Or it could be used to establish some sort of class system where there is an in crowd of people on the thread who don't get restrictions and another group that does. "how the determination is made" The determination of whether or not to enforce the "notoorabout" falls back on the thread head, which is me (although people are free to voluntarily agree to notoorabouts with one another of course). My interest is not in being a humanitarian shield for the meek (although I kind of like that image), my interest is in raising the value of topical and issues based rational discourse to a higher value that personal gripes. I look at the conditions that would merit such a thing, conditions that undermine the goal of this thread. Anyone who has visited these forums much has seen thread interaction deteriorate from time to time to the petty gripes a couple of posters hold against each other. Not always a big deal, but sometimes that phenomenon can completely dominate thread discourse for days on end. Sometimes we survive those episodes, sometimes we can encourage them to move on to more interesting discussion, sometimes we just decide to abandon the thread and let the two or few go at it. Sometimes one of them is willing to move on but the other is not. This is the rare to never circumstance I was thinking about. If we all work hard to encourage civil discourse it should never be necessary but if even one stubborn member refuses to let go of a personal gripe we are stuck, the thread either becomes all about that person or their personal gripes … most of us have either been a part of this or seen it before. So. Even though there isn't an exact threshold that I feel bound to, I feel confident that when such conditions are present, for a while, most would agree that I we need a way to say enough is enough… you two either go get a room of your own, or leave each other alone on this thread. This I would do in support of the thread goal. The fear that I would impose a petty notoorabout under a circumstance that is unmerited is unrealistic IMO.