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To: Lady Lurksalot who wrote (1672)	9/24/2006 7:17:51 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 10087

"I don't see how the article I posted would prompt the question you ask... Chimeras have occurred in nature since time began. - Holly Your article prompted me to give some thought to current medical research in this area. One area of current research is in combining non-human biology with human biology to determine, among other things, if medical treatment can be improved. This sometimes comes under the heading 'chimera' so that is what prompted the question... "Would you draw a line or lines of ethics between the current state of chimeria and the Island of Dr. Moreau? Or should we forget about it?" I don't know where to begin defining the ethical issues, let alone where lines should be drawn, so I wondered if others on this thread had some background in it, or if anyone had an opinion on it. If we can define opposing viewpoints, then we have a good discussion topic for this thread. Sorry if I skipped a step or two in establishing the logical basis for that question. gem

To: Lady Lurksalot who wrote (1672)	9/25/2006 8:16:47 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 10087

Autopsy Shows Slain Woman's Children Were Drowned Suspect Tells Police She's Responsible for Killings By JIM SUHR, AP EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. (Sept. 25) - After keeping her gruesome secret for days, a woman accused of killing a pregnant acquaintance and her fetus finally told police she drowned the woman's three children and stuffed them into a washer and dryer, authorities say. Preliminary autopsies on the children appeared to show they were drowned, said Ace Hart, a deputy St. Clair County coroner. As of Sunday, Tiffany Hall, 24, had not been charged in the children's deaths, but prosecutors on Saturday accused Hall of killing their mother, Jimella Tunstall, 23, and her fetus. The fetus had been cut from her womb, authorities said. Hall remained jailed Sunday on $5 million bond, charged with first-degree murder in Tunstall's death and with intentional homicide of an unborn child. She likely will be arraigned Monday on the two charges, each carrying a penalty of 20 to 60 years or life in prison, prosecutors said. The murder count could be punishable by the death penalty. According to the autopsies, there were no signs of physical abuse or trauma on the children -- ages 7, 2, and 1 -- and toxicology tests were pending "to see if they were poisoned or possibly drugged," Hart said. The community turned to prayer Sunday to understand the slayings at a service for the family. "This is an opportunity for people to turn to God," said Debra Kenton, a member of the New Life Community Church. "Who else can explain things like this?" Authorities suspect Tunstall was slain on or about Sept. 15. That day, Hall summoned police to a park, saying she had given birth to a stillborn child, Hart said. She was arrested after she told her boyfriend during the baby's funeral that the baby wasn't his and that she had killed the mother to get it, authorities said. Tunstall's body was found Thursday, and authorities began a furious search for her children. Police said the children were last seen with Hall on Monday. Authorities had visited Tunstall's apartment Friday but noticed nothing amiss while looking for photographs of the children for media outlets to publicize in their search, Hart said. While in custody, Hart says, Hall told investigators she killed the children and hid them in the washer and dryer. Hall said he understood why investigators may have overlooked the children during their previous trip to the apartment. "Who would be looking in the washer and dryer?" By Saturday night, Hart said, "you could find them by the smell." The oldest, 7-year-old DeMond Tunstall, was found in the dryer and the younger two children -- 2-year-old Ivan Tunstall-Collins and 1-year-old Jinela Tunstall -- in the washer. Two of the children were found nude, the third wearing only underpants, Hart said. Mourners left stuffed animals outside Tunstall's apartment, its door crisscrossed with white evidence tape. There was a white teddy bear, and a stuffed race car with DeMond's name. An autopsy showed that Jimella Tunstall bled to death after sustaining an abdominal wound caused by a sharp object, believed to be scissors, Hart has said. Authorities believe her womb was cut open after she was knocked unconscious. Relatives say Tunstall grew up with Hall and had let her baby-sit her children. Hall has two children of her own. Illinois State Police Capt. Craig Koehler said they are "safe and sound." DNA tests should determine definitively whether the baby was the one Tunstall was carrying, Hart said.

To: Lady Lurksalot who wrote (1672)	9/26/2006 8:11:38 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 10087

"I see what happened here as depressingly normal," said Dr. Albert Wu Fatal Drug Mix-Up Exposes Hospital Flaws By TOM DAVIES, AP INDIANAPOLIS (Sept. 23) - Early last Saturday, nurses at an Indianapolis hospital went to the drug cabinet in the newborn intensive care unit to get blood-thinner for several premature babies. The nurses didn't realize a pharmacy technician had mistakenly stocked the cabinet with vials containing a dose 1,000 times stronger than what the babies were supposed to receive. And they apparently didn't notice that the label said "heparin," not "hep-lock," and that it was dark blue instead of baby blue. Those mistakes led to the deaths of three infants. Three others also suffered overdoses but survived. Now, their families, hospital officials and prosecutors are asking the same question: How could this happen? Experts say last weekend's overdoses at Methodist Hospital illustrate that, despite national efforts to reduce drug errors, the system is still fragile and too often subject to human error. "I see what happened here as depressingly normal," said Dr. Albert Wu of Johns Hopkins University, co-author of an Institute of Medicine report that estimated more than 1.5 million Americans a year are injured from medication errors in hospitals and nursing homes and as outpatients. Methodist Hospital officials said they had safeguards in place before Saturday's overdoses. Hep-lock - a lesser dosage of heparin that is routinely used to keep intravenous lines open in premature babies - arrives at the hospital in premeasured vials and is placed in a computerized drug cabinet by pharmacy technicians. Nurses must enter their employee code and the patient's code into the cabinet's computer to open it. A drawer containing a large variety of medicines then opens, and they select the prescribed drugs from compartments and enter the amount withdrawn. The system locks immediately afterward to prevent multiple withdrawals for the same patient. But there is no automated system to prevent nurses from taking the wrong medicine from the drawer in the first place. According to hospital officials' account, a pharmacy technician had loaded the cabinet with heparin, at 10,000 units per milliliter, instead of hep-lock, at 10 units per milliliter. D'myia Alexander Nelson and Emmery Miller died within hours of receiving the heparin. A little girl named Thursday Dawn Jeffers died late Tuesday. No autopsies were performed, but hospital officials said the cause of death was probably internal bleeding. Even before the overdoses, the babies faced challenges.