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To: Dale Baker who wrote (29103)9/25/2006 9:13:27 PM
From: Dale Baker  Respond to of 541627
 
I reckon Mel Gibson would be banned on just about all the threads; he is offensive all the way across the spectrum.

For Mel Gibson, a New Movie and More Notoriety
By ALLISON HOPE WEINER
Published: September 26, 2006

LOS ANGELES, Sept. 25 -- Mel Gibson’s eccentric promotional foray to the heartland with his new movie “Apocalypto” may have helped introduce the film to a vast potential audience. But it also left the beleaguered star with a lot more explaining to do.

The filmmaker and actor, fiercely criticized for his anti-Semitic outburst when he was arrested for drunk driving last July, showed the as-yet unfinished movie on Friday, first at a casino and at Cameron University in Oklahoma, where he arrived in wig and disguise, according to The Associated Press. Then he moved on to the Fantastic Fest film festival in Austin, Tex., where he compared the American troop deployment in Iraq to the kind of human sacrifice depicted in his film, about ancient Mayans, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Mr. Gibson’s antiwar remarks immediately raised a red flag for conservative fans of his “The Passion of the Christ.”

In a phone interview today, the conservative radio talk show host and columnist Michael Medved said: “If these antiwar comments are the beginning of an ill-considered, organized campaign to get back into the good graces of the Hollywood establishment that gave him the Oscar for ‘Braveheart,’ so he can show he’s not different from them and march arm-in-arm with Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon, there will be a great deal of disgust from the people who have enjoyed Mel’s movies in the past.”

At the same time, some Jewish leaders quickly complained that Mr. Gibson had not yet made significant move in their direction, despite his two public apologies and plea for direct reconciliation with the Jewish community.

“He has never reached out to me or the Simon Wiesenthal Center,” said Rabbi Marvin Hier, calling from Israel. “He’s said some hurtful and horrible things about Jews. I don’t believe the way to recover from that is to make a telephone call to Jews in the entertainment community or to issue a press release. I have heard from people all over the country and they haven’t changed their minds about Mel Gibson on the basis of that statement.”

A spokesman for Mr. Gibson said he had begun reaching out to Jewish leaders, but noted that it was a private process.

In Hollywood, meanwhile, industry observers were beginning to confront a new problem: If Mr. Gibson’s film proves to be of awards quality, should those who bestow the honors, including the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, which gives the Oscars, overlook his behavior in favor of his art?

An early look at the movie — which is scheduled for release by Disney on Dec. 8 — shows it to have at least some of the earmarks of an Oscar picture, including epic sweep and considerable ambition. The movie, shot entirely in an ancient Indian dialect, tells the story of a peaceful Mayan village that is violently conquered one morning by another Mayan tribe. Many of the inhabitants are brutally killed, and others are taken captive.

The story focuses on one villager, a man named Jaguar Paw, played by an American Indian newcomer named Rudy Youngblood, who survives the attack and struggles to escape captivity and save his wife and child.

In the course of the adventure, Mr. Gibson’s film portrays life in a huge Mayan city, constant warfare, slave culture and chilling scenes of human sacrifice.

Even if that story connects with the audience, Oscar voters may find it hard to reward someone who has been effectively banished from a large segment of Hollywood.

“Historically, there have been events and situations where Hollywood individually and collectively has had a short memory,” said Steve Tisch, a producer and a member of the academy. “Often I think of personal behavior and judgment errors as being superficial wounds. These wounds are much deeper, and I don’t think Hollywood academy members are going to overlook how deeply some of his comments hurt.”

William Mechanic, another producer and academy member, said he did not believe Mr. Gibson or his representatives could in any way court votes. “I don’t think you can mount a campaign — that would be a mistake,” Mr. Mechanic said. “If you’re looking to curry favor with the academy, that would be a mistake.”

Yet another producer and academy member, Marykay Powell, noted that academy voters have historically focused on art, not the artist. “I’m able to distinguish art,” Ms. Powell said. “I certainly would take a look at the work.”

Mr. Gibson’s ace-in-the-hole when it comes the prize season may be his celebrity, or even notoriety, which might help some awards shows draw viewers. Philip Berk, president of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which gives out the Golden Globes, said he did not believe any of Mr. Gibson’s remarks would hurt with his group. “The award is based on the evaluation of the film, not on remarks that may have offended some people,” he said.

Joey Berlin, president of the Broadcast Film Critics Association, similarly said his group would be happy to consider “Apocalypto.”

“I can’t imagine this would be a serious stumbling block for him,” said Mr. Berlin, whose group sponsors a televised awards show.



To: Dale Baker who wrote (29103)9/25/2006 9:20:21 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541627
 
Oh, I'm comfortable with what happens here at the moment. As the fact that I keep posting testifies.

As I said, I don't think it's possible to have as much diversity today on a thread on SI as was possible then. Those same people whose political points of view were porous at the edges, are now very hard edged. And ridicule has become the cross pov conversational style.

But, having said that, there is a surprising amount of diversity here. I think Tim Fowler is about as far right as it gets, but he's here, every so often. And eleutheria and I hold down the left, with some others that chip in every so often--thames, whose claims to be a Brit centrist are suspect as far as I'm concerned. ;-)