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To: diana g who wrote (71995)	9/26/2006 3:15:03 PM
From: Big Dog	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206089

Ole Uncle Boo's wisdom comes through again. Diana, are you sure he is a real fella...his escapades and wisdoms are the stuff of legends <g> big

To: diana g who wrote (71995)	9/26/2006 3:25:39 PM
From: t4texas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206089

ot: diana_g, i think your short dissertation is very wise. i think the idea of being "overindignated" (my silly term) by some ethnic jokes, and the like, stems from the time-tried civil disobedience for real injustices and wrongs in the world. those who choose to be overindignated don't have a big cause to protest, so they protest what they can in solidarity with some struggle they perceive is meaningful.

To: diana g who wrote (71995)	9/26/2006 4:14:30 PM
From: cyesp	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206089

OT - Diana, thank you for your thoughtful comments. However,you apparently did not see the insulting joke that started this bru-ha. And apparently Big Dog (or someone else) found the joke sufficiently offensive to remove it. While parts of the joke were funny, the comments comparing women (of a particular ethnic group) unfavorably to a donkey were clearly insulting, demeaning, and way out of line. And not funny. While there is plenty of room for tweeners (neither inoffensive or highly offensive)in humor, there are jokes that are down right mean, truly offensive and are not harmless. I have always respected kollmhn, I was shocked that he posted the joke. >>Is it ever appropriate to take offense when no offense was intended?<< I generally agree with this statement, however, in this case I think there was intent to offend. JMO Regards - Cy

To: diana g who wrote (71995)	9/26/2006 8:37:23 PM
From: falconflingagain	Respond to of 206089

well said. thank you.

To: diana g who wrote (71995)	9/28/2006 1:09:10 AM
From: buckbldr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206089

Hi, Mz D. I was quick to add my reco to your excellent post. A very clear and common sense address to the problems generated by the recent evolution of a term that I feel has caused much more turmoil and conflict in our society than the originators ever anticipated...Political Correctness. I particularly liked your comments regarding intent: >>>>... Most jokes' intention is not to insult or demean anyone in any serious way. And intention is the important thing, isn't it? The intention of the joke-teller, I mean. Is it ever appropriate to take offense when no offense was intended? <<<< I totally agree to the importance of intent. And I would only add one other requirement to decent civil discourse...the acceptance of responsibility for one's expressions, and even more so, one's actions. To not be aware of nor take responsibility for the effect on the rest of humanity that one's actions will incur, ranks way up there on the sin ladder in my estimation. This applies to our free speech "rights", free press, right to bear arms, whatever we consider our God given rights to exercise in "freedom". Responsibility requires that one's freedom of speech does not allow one to yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater even with good intentions, so the law says, but rational consideration of the action and it's consequences should not even require a law to prevent it....simply an awareness of the importance we should attach to an abiding sense of responsibility that we must obey in order to interact peaceably with our fellow human beings. So we might consider our duty to responsibility as well as applying proper intent to the "jokes" we tell. And of course we should also consider the importance of proper responsibility in the reception of these jokes and our reaction to them. <g> For example, any jokes told about elderly, deaf, forgetful, arthritic, and somewhat cantankerous men should be received responsibly with good grace by guys like me. <VBG> G'nite and bless you all, Buck