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To: Ilaine who wrote (204464)	9/27/2006 12:14:10 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

ColbattyBlue, you're just full of it. The only one trying to send the world back to the dark ages are rightwingers the world over. The only ones saying to withdraw are the PaleoConservatives...the adults in your group. I know you guys love playing tin soldier (paintball, risk, etc.) but the world isn't going backwards WITHOUT RIGHTWINGERS. If you guys just knocked it off, the progressives could progress unhindered and the world would be a much better place...even for you. Just stand down and shut up for a few decades. You'll like the results.

To: Ilaine who wrote (204464)	9/27/2006 2:41:05 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

CB, there are a lot of Kiwis who feel the same about the USA: <I wonder if you realize that there is a strong sentiment in the US to just withdraw within our borders and let the other nations deal with each other, one-on-one. > Others among us think it better to broaden civilisation rather than retreat to tribal enclaves. The USA stomps around the world, getting in trouble, then wants NZ to help fix up the mess they create and extricate them from their blunders. It gets tiring and it's dangerous. Why not just stay here and tend the sheep? The reason to continue to create the NewUN and support other multinational agencies is to develop harmonious relationships to enable travel, trade, and border control with efficiency and without conflict. <We'll still protect you, whether you like it or not, because the alternative is worse. > That's what I've noticed happens. And, the corollary of that is that the USA won't protect us, whether we like it or not. And, the USA stops NZ selling products in the USA - forcing us to sell to China. An interesting strategic move by the "free trade" USA which I suspect is not in their long-term interests, though a spot of sheep farmer protection, and steel producer protection, is popular in some quarters of the USA. Very short-sighted and stupid, but that's what friends are for. It's hypocritical that the USA whines about other countries not enabling free trade, revaluing the yuan etc. The USA will do what it likes, whatever NZ says or does. Just be happy with that. Don't also expect appreciation when a 600 lb gorilla sits anywhere it likes, as though it's a favour to the recipient of the seating arrangements. Have you heard of East Timor? The USA was complicit in carnage there when Kissinger threw them to the Islamic Jihad wolves a few decades ago. Now, the USA is belatedly starting to understand that socialism, strongly practised in the USA nowadays, is actually less dangerous than Islamic Jihad. It would have been more sensible to support Gorby instead of Osama back in the 1980s. But no, Brzezinski wanted to give the USSR its own Vietnam and even when the wonderful Gorby came along, the USA was too stupid to see that Gorby was more civil than the mujahideen who have gone on to demonstrate their philosophical foundations at Beslan, the Twin Towers and in various head-hacking videos, "live" on tv. Now, the USA is highly socialist and scared witless about Moslem maniacs with box-cutters. The USSR has devolved to sundry states and a sort of capitalism. How things change. The sidelines seems a good place to be. Meanwhile, Brzezinski is still in business spiegel.de He thinks a global French Revolution is coming. Mqurice