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To: Dale Baker who wrote (29276)	9/27/2006 3:00:07 PM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 541348

I forgot to add that dropping socialized production pretty much negates any real ties to actual Marxist thought. Marx believed capitalism could only last as long as it took for its contradictions to destroy it, which we know never happened.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (29276)	9/27/2006 3:28:30 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 541348

Of course not. Marxism Lite is more like European social democracy since WW2. American Democratic policies are quite different. Point well made. From the European left perspective, it's really hard to call the present positions of the dominant groups in the Dem party as "left." I've used the term Burkean. But all I mean by that is that it's the classic conservative case for keeping things as they are, conserving things.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (29276)	9/27/2006 4:03:42 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541348

Let's try again - any Democrats advocating the abolition of the rich? Not just limiting or reshaping, but eliminating them as a social evil? Abolition? As in killing them? Of course not, but then the Marxists didn't necessarily want to kill them either, although that happened. Level them off by transferring their money to the poor, sure, so that they aren't so rich and the poor aren't so poor. Egalitarian, like E said. Because it really is PoliSci 101 That tone doesn't work on me. American Democratic policies are quite different. Sure, they're different. But we're in broad stroke territory here, finding the essential difference between left and right. The question is whether or not they're in the same family, not whether they're identical twins. They're at least second cousins. They're a whole lot more alike than either of them is to "self-determination" or "Judeo-Christian traditionalism." No family resemblance there at all. Thanks for the input. It's been useful.