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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (79639)	9/29/2006 6:50:17 PM
From: sea_biscuit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

"Actually no amount of time would really have been sufficient a job like theirs is an open ended one." Duh! Go tell this to Kay and Duelfer, that the job is never completed, so why did they file a report saying there were no WMDs? What an idiot!

To: TimF who wrote (79639)	9/30/2006 2:04:21 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

>>For over a decade they didn't get the access they needed. Arguably they got the access when the US was poised for an invasion, but I don't agree that a few more months would have been sufficient. Actually no amount of time would really have been sufficient a job like theirs is an open ended one.<< Tim - Yes, they got the access when the U.S. had made it clear they would invade. That was the point at which Bush should have decided to wait, since the credible threat of force had done its job. I'm not the one who claimed that a few more months would have been sufficient. The inspectors themselves said that, both at the time and later. All these years later, don't you think the fact that we didn't end up finding any WMDs lends more support to the idea that Bush should have been more reticent to commit such massive forces and rain down such massive destruction on Iraq? The cost to us has been huge. The entire Intelligence community agrees that the Iraq invasion has made us less safe by breeding an entire new generation of terrorists. It also occurs to me that we have not brought Democracy to Iraq. Sure, they've had elections, but elections alone are not what make a Democracy. Both our forces and Iraqi forces round people up on suspicion of various activities, and either kill them or incarcerate them without benefit of trial. The nation is ruled by violence, not by law. That is not Democracy. This points up one of the major problems with trying to create a Democracy by force. - Allen