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To: wonk who wrote (204828)	9/30/2006 12:15:46 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Wireless, that's the most lucid analysis I've ever read. Ed

To: wonk who wrote (204828)	9/30/2006 12:30:15 PM
From: StockGamer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Great analysis from the adult wing of the Republicans.

To: wonk who wrote (204828)	9/30/2006 2:04:59 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 281500

When you cannot secure an area, I think that constitutes losing. I agree with your other points, but I don't think constant US deaths obscures the issue, since I think it is one of the issues. One need only look at the occupation of Germany and Japan, and the almost nonexistent number of casualties, to understand why constant US military deaths matters (imo, of course).

To: wonk who wrote (204828)	10/1/2006 12:44:39 PM
From: Don Hurst	Respond to of 281500

Early on, at the start of the Iraq invasion, Gen Odom was interviewed on CNN, I believe, and he made a point of stressing that this invasion was a serious mistake in foreign policy and he strongly stated that it would create many more terrorists. This was long before any April, 2006 NIE. He was recently an NPR talk show, I think in past couple of weeks, where the current recommendations of William Kristol came up. You could hear the strong feelings in Odom's response when he asked why anyone would listen to Kristol and his ilk now when Kristol (they) had been so consistently wrong on Iraq. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rice et al were not mentioned in the interview as I recall. And now we find out that the "genius" of Vietnam, Kissinger, is regularly providing his "good" advice to Bush. Maybe Bush is also talking to to LBJ and Nixon in the privacy of his bathroom, through his hair dryer, (as Sam Harris might speculate) to get their advice also.