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To: Bilow who wrote (204860)10/1/2006 12:12:46 AM
From: Ilaine  Respond to of 281500
 
Look up what gasoline prices did in 1973-1974. I already did so upstream, you could just look up what I've already posted. I even calculated the prices using 2006 dollars.

Not an ideal situation but not a disaster, either.



To: Bilow who wrote (204860)10/1/2006 4:49:56 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hilarious. Straight out of Kremlin Central Planning: <"In the U.S., drivers of vehicles with license plates having an odd number as the last digit were allowed to purchase gasoline for their cars only on odd-numbered days of the month, while drivers of vehicles with even-numbered license plates were allowed to purchase fuel only on even-numbered days. The rule did not apply on the 31st day of those months containing 31 days, or on February 29 in leap years — the latter never came into play, as the restrictions had been abolished by 1976." >

During the 1979 price rises, New Zealand had "carless days". An even more stupid idea as it meant people couldn't drive their cars even if they had fuel. People were allowed to drive every other day or something like that [depending on their registration number].

Since then, there has been an economic principle invented called "supply and demand". Price is used as the allocating mechanism. When supplies are tight, prices rise, so that demand matches supply. When there's a glut, prices fall, so that demand matches supply.

It's a complex concept and even today, most people can't understand it. During the Katrian aftermath, there was talk of "gouging" in gasoline prices and the need for laws to stop prices rising.

I can elaborate if you haven't heard of it, but I dare say you have. The Globalstar marketers hadn't heard of it.

Mqurice



To: Bilow who wrote (204860)10/1/2006 8:27:59 AM
From: Ish  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<<Our carriers burn oil, they cannot force people to sell it to us.>>

Which ones? I thought they were all nuke powered now.



To: Bilow who wrote (204860)10/12/2006 9:45:11 PM
From: Sam  Respond to of 281500
 
Before his retirement in 2000, Zinni drew up invasion plans that he said called for considerably more troops than the 140,000 now in Iraq.

Anyone know if a copy of this plan is public? Or at least a part of it? And if so where it might be found?

Ex-Centcom Head Questions Iraq War Intelligence
Published on Friday, September 26, 2003 by Reuters

WASHINGTON - The former head of U.S. Central Command said in an interview aired on Thursday that he had concerns about the credibility of intelligence used as the basis for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Somebody's head ought to roll.

Retired Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni questioned claims that ousted Iraqi president Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that he was an imminent threat -- President Bush's major justification for going to war.

"I'm suggesting that either the intelligence was so bad and flawed -- and if that's the case, then somebody's head ought to roll for that -- or the intelligence was exaggerated or twisted in a way to make a more convenient case to the American people," Zinni said on ABC's "Nightline."

"If there's a strategic decision for taking down Iraq, if it's the so-called neoconservative idea that taking apart Iraq and creating a democracy, or whatever it is, will change the equation in the Middle East, then make the case based on this," said Zinni, who as Central Command chief had military responsibility for the Middle East.

The four-star general said he still does not believe that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat or that he possessed chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

"I believe that what Saddam had was the framework for a weapons of mass destruction program that could be quickly activated once sanctions were lifted," Zinni told ABC.

U.S. forces have been searching for such weapons in Iraq for more than five months. None has so far been found.

Zinni also expressed concern about the security situation in Iraq and said he was worried about the lack of planning for the postwar era. Guerrilla attacks have killed 79 U.S. soldiers in Iraq since Washington declared major combat over on May 1.

Before his retirement in 2000, Zinni drew up invasion plans that he said called for considerably more troops than the 140,000 now in Iraq.

"The plan was criticized by this Pentagon as overestimating the amount of troops. ... But actually, the plan had those troops built into it because we looked at the security requirements immediately afterwards," he said.

While expressing skepticism over how the United States got into Iraq, Zinni said withdrawing was not an option.

"We can't fail in Iraq. We have to live up to this commitment," he said. "But what we need now is a very detailed plan."

commondreams.org



To: Bilow who wrote (204860)10/17/2006 12:44:06 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Nine paradoxes of a lost war

Introduction by Tom Engelhardt

Here's how President George W Bush described the enemy in Iraq at his press conference last week. "The violence is being caused by a combination of terrorists, elements of former regime criminals and sectarian militias." That is, "bitter-enders" aka "Saddamists". The "sectarian militias" may have been a relatively recent add-on, but this is essentially the same list, the same sort of terminology the president has been using for years.

In the past two weeks, however, rumblings of discontent, the urge for a change of course (or at least a mid-course correction) in Iraq have been persistently bubbling to the surface of already roiling Washington. Senate Armed Services Committee chairman John Warner recently returned from Iraq to rattle the Bush administration by saying that policy there was "drifting sideways" and if it didn't improve, "all options" should be on the table not long after the mid-term elections.

Suggestions are rife for dumping the president's goal of "democracy" in Iraq and swallowing a little of the hard stuff. Reports indicate that in two desperate capitals, Washington and Baghdad, rumors about possible future Iraqi coups are spinning wildly. People of import are evidently talking about the possibility of a new five-man "ruling commission", a "government of national salvation" that would "suspend parliament, declare martial law and call back some officers of the old Iraqi army". Even the name of that Central Intelligence Agency warhorse (and anti-neo-conservative candidate) Iyad Allawi, who couldn't get his party elected dogcatcher in the new Iraq, is coming up again in the context of the need for a "strongman".

This was, of course, the desire of the elder George Bush and his advisors back at the end of Gulf War I, when they hoped just such a Sunni strongman - one who could work with them - would topple a weakened Saddam Hussein. Dreams, it seems, die hard. And, as if on cue, who should appear but former secretary of state and Bush family handler James A Baker III, a Bush Elder kind of guy.

While on the talk-show circuit for his new book, he also spent last week plugging (but not revealing) the future findings of the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan commission he co-heads whose aim is to suggest to a reluctant president new policy possibilities in Iraq. They too are putting "all" options on the table (as long as those options involve "continuing the mission in Iraq"). The group, according to some reports, has, however, ruled out the president's favorite option, "victory". One option it is apparently considering involves skipping "democracy", minimizing American casualties, and focusing "on stabilizing Baghdad, while the American Embassy should work toward political accommodation with insurgents".

A political accommodation with the insurgents? Curious how word gets around.
Sometimes a small change in terminology speaks volumes for future mid-course corrections. The other day, General George Casey, commander of US troops in Iraq, gave a press briefing with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon. As part of his prepared introductory remarks (not in answer to some random question), he offered this list of "groups that are working to affect [the situation in Iraq] negatively":

"The first, the Sunni extremists, al-Qaeda, and the Iraqis that are supporting them. Second, the Shi'ite extremists, the death squads and the more militant militias. In my view, those represent the greatest current threats in Iraq. The third group is the resistance, the Sunni insurgency that sees themselves as an honorable resistance against foreign occupation in Iraq."

"The resistance"? "An honorable resistance against foreign occupation in Iraq"? Where did those bitter-enders, those anti-Iraq forces go? Take it as a small signal - noticed, as far as I could tell, by not a single reporter or pundit of things to come.

Of course, all of this has brought to the surface a lot of hopeful "withdrawal" talk in the media (and the online world), in part because the Baker group seems to have been floating "phased withdrawal" rumors. Before you think about genuine withdrawal possibilities though, note the announcement by Army Chief of Staff General Peter Schoomaker last week that he was now planning for the possibility of maintaining present force levels in Iraq (140,000+ troops) through 2010; that Casey at that press briefing left the door wide open to ask the president for even more troops after the election; and that the build-up on the ground of permanent bases (not called that) and our vast, nearly billion-dollar embassy in the heart of Baghdad is ongoing.

Here Message 22916729 Michael Schwartz considers the latest in military mid-course corrections and explains why such corrections can no longer hope to plug the gaping holes in Iraq's political dikes. Similarly, Warner, Baker, Casey, Senator Joe Biden (with his "three-state solution"), and so many others can all promote their own mid-course corrections, suggest them to the president, bring them to the new Congress, promote them among military figures, but as long as that embassy goes up and those bases keep getting hardened and improved, as long as the "mission continues" (in Baker's phrase), changing troop levels, tactics, even governments in Baghdad's Green Zone, not to speak of "policy options" in Washington, will solve nothing. Wherever that "table" is sooner or later all options will really have to be displayed on it.

atimes.com