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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (204960)	10/2/2006 8:35:35 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 281500

No. <Does NZ still have an arrest warrant out? > I guess you saw that they don't. There was a deal to call it quits back in 1990, after France brought trade and other pressure to bear on NZ to give in. Without support from countries which opposed terrorism [the USA supported terrorism then, or at least turned a blind eye if it was a country like NZ which deserved it], there wasn't much NZ could do. en.wikipedia.org I'd be interested to see if Gerard the Criminal Royal would be allowed to visit New Zealand. I suppose if he gets to be a diplomat, he could get away with it. He has got away with murder so far. I wonder how people like that feel about themselves for the rest of their lives. "What did you do in the army Daddy?" "Oh, I was a great hero. I bombed Greenpeace's Rainbow Warrior and killed a photographer whose children don't have a Daddy now." "Ohhhh, Daddy, you are so brave." "Yes, and it was in New Zealand, which was quite a threat to France. I saved our country from those South Pacific marauders. We certainly showed them who is in charge and who is tougher." I suppose psycho people like that enjoy killing, terrorizing and blowing things up, so they don't have any feelings about it. Some people enjoy cruelty, bullying, theft and carnage. They have nothing constructive to offer themselves. I wonder what I'll feel if some Islamic Jihadists manage to blow up the Royal family when Segolene is President and they are having a family dinner one Sunday night, celebrating their political success. Somehow, I will think that Gerard got his comeuppance. Good riddance. I hope Admiral Lacoste is there too. <Admiral Pierre Lacoste made a statement saying Pereira's death weighed heavily on his conscience. > Yeah, right. When you go planting bombs on civilian boats, you feel sorry for collateral damage. Hmmm, do you know of a French Islamic Jihad organisation which is wanting donations - which is, I suppose, how violence and terrorism spreads around the world. People who are treated unjustly and viciously are NOT happy to just go quietly into the night, burying their family each time another is killed. They want utu. waitangi.com What on Earth was that horrible little man Mitterrand thinking? And his political acolytes. In 1981, I was in London when he won, and a French woman I was talking to in the hotel [I think it was there] expressed dismay to me because of his socialist ideology. I thought it was no big deal and didn't at the time appreciate how much politicians can be destructive, or creative, ruining or enhancing whole countries and beyond in a few short years. I guessed he was just another western politician. It was not many years later that he had sunk a small vessel in my harbour and killed somebody. I happened to be in Auckland a few days later and went down to the wharf to have a look. That's an act of war. Imagine France attacking New Zealand which has got dead troops spread around their countryside from two world wars defending France. It was a micro Pearl Harbour. A sneak attack while boats were berthed. My father, a grandfather and father's cousin all spent years fighting Germans to get them out of France and defeated [WWI and WWII]. Can you imagine I'd be too concerned if Germany was to attack France again [wait until all those young male German unemployed meet a bit of a problem in the welfare payments and one thing and another - it would not be surprising to see a revitalized German military system of an aggressive nature]? Maybe Segolene Royal will issue her own family apology for a wrong done and otherwise atone for their evil ways. I will NOT be holding my breath. If anything, I expect them to do something similar again. Leopards and their spots. I imagine she is somewhat psycho judging from her bad relationship with her father. I will watch that space with interest. Her brother was obviously psycho too, agreeing to follow orders to sink such a harmless, if annoying, boat full of unarmed civilians. Apparently their plan at one stage was to sink it out in the ocean, but they decided that the loss of life would be a bit excessive. I also think it was quite fun to do it right there in Auckland's harbour, to show New Zealand what they could do with their stupid anti-nuclear ideas. Mqurice

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (204960)	10/2/2006 8:41:38 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, what do you think? Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov't By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: October 2, 2006 Filed at 5:06 p.m. ET QALAT, Afghanistan (AP) -- U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Monday that the Afghan war against Taliban guerrillas can never be won militarily and called for efforts to bring the Islamic militia and its supporters into the Afghan government. The Tennessee Republican said he learned from briefings that Taliban fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated on the battlefield. 'You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government,' Frist said during a brief visit to a U.S. and Romanian military base in the southern Taliban stronghold of Qalat. 'And if that's accomplished, we'll be successful.' Afghanistan is suffering its heaviest insurgent attacks since a U.S.-led military force toppled the Taliban in late 2001 for harboring al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. According to an Associated Press count, based on reports from U.S., NATO and Afghan officials, at least 2,800 people have been killed nationwide so far this year. The count, which includes militants and civilians, is about 1,300 more than the toll for all of 2005. The top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, told Pentagon reporters last month that while the Taliban enemy in Afghanistan is not extremely strong, their numbers and influence have grown in some southern sections of the country. President Bush has been criticized for his handling of the war and is trying to contain the damage ahead of midterm elections this fall. On Friday, Bush acknowledged setbacks in the training of Afghan police to fight against the Taliban resurgence but predicted eventual victory. Frist said asking the Taliban to join the government was a decision to be made by Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Karzai's spokesmen were not immediately able to be reached for comment. Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida accompanying Frist on his trip, said negotiating with the Taliban was not 'out of the question' but that fighters who refused to join the political process would have to be defeated. 'A political solution is how it's all going to be solved,' he said. Frist said he had hoped the U.S. would be able to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan soon. But he said the 20,000 U.S. troops in the country are still needed to support the NATO alliance, which will assume direct control over most military operations here. 'We're going to need to stay here a long time,' Frist said. The senator said he was warned to expect attacks to increase. There appears to be an 'unlimited flow' of Afghans and foreigners 'willing to pick up arms and integrate themselves with the Taliban,' he said. He said the only way to win in places like the volatile southern part of the country is to 'assimilate people who call themselves Taliban into a larger, more representative government.' 'Approaching counterinsurgency by winning hearts and minds will ultimately be the answer,' Frist said. 'Military versus insurgency one-to-one doesn't sound like it can be won. It sounds to me ... that the Taliban is everywhere.' Frist and Martinez flew to this dust-blown mountain city 220 miles south of Kabul during a one-day stop in Afghanistan on a regional tour that includes stops in Pakistan and Iraq. The pair had intended to visit a new $6.5 million hospital built by the United Arab Emirates, but a group of wounded Taliban fighters were recuperating there, including a midlevel commander, and U.S. commander Lt. Col. Kevin McGlaughlin canceled the visit because of security concerns. In violence Monday, a suicide bomber blew himself up next to a NATO convoy in the capital Kabul, wounding three foreign soldiers and three civilians, while a roadside bomb in the eastern Paktia province killed three Afghan soldiers and wounded three others, officials said. Maj. Luke Knittig, a military spokesman, said he could not disclose the nationalities of the NATO soldiers who were wounded. The attack came two days after another suicide bomber killed 12 people and wounded more than 40 outside Afghanistan's Interior Ministry. In the southern province of Helmand, five civilians were killed when their vehicle hit a mine on a road usually used by NATO and Afghan forces, said Ghulam Muhiddin, the governor's spokesman. Suspected Taliban on a motorbike, meanwhile, killed two policemen and wounded two others in Gereshk district, he said. NATO-led troops killed three militants in Nawzad district. nytimes.com