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To: TimF who wrote (2205)	10/3/2006 10:52:23 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 10087

I see what you mean about item number seven. The revenuers wouldn't want to get this stuff mixed up with the better quality Kentucky moon shine. The financial/other benefits still seem complicated.

To: TimF who wrote (2205)	10/3/2006 11:06:17 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

I would think that adding gasoline to ethanol is sufficient "denaturing" in and of itself! ;^) But then -- I don't know if you've ever looked at the BATF regs on alcohol. At one point I was thinking about going into the grappa business (grappa is made from the lees left over from making wine) so started to print out using my ultra fast office printer. After using up a ream of paper, with no end in sight, I stopped the presses. That said, the people at the agency (no longer BATF, I think) are very helpful, and willing to walk me through the process if I decided to go for it. I just don't think Americans are ready for grappa. Americans like their alcohol sweet and fruit flavored. Grappa is pretty much the exact opposite, like arrak or raki without the anise. On the farms in Italy, it's still a breakfast drink on cold mornings, warms you up and thins the blood. But in America, we don't believe in having a buzz on all day. ;^)

To: TimF who wrote (2205)	10/3/2006 4:50:19 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

David Pemintal doesn't seem to be providing a very balanced picture if you ask me. healthandenergy.com I found this simple description of how the processing works. Ish tells me that ethanol is produced from the waste products of corn production. If so, that deflates much of Pimental's argument about the costs of growing the corn. In addition Pimental argues that costs for other corn uses (feed for chickens etc) are affected. A while back I heard we are subsidizing grain farmers not to grow so much because we end up with a huge excess. Is that still true? westernplainsenergy.biz "6. Dehydration: The alcohol from the top of the column will then pass through a dehydration system where the remaining water will be removed. Most ethanol plants use a molecular sieve to capture the last bit of water in the ethanol. The alcohol product at this stage is called anhydrous (pure, without water) ethanol and is approximately 200 proof." It is a fairly new and developing industry. There is a lot of controversy over the cost/benefits of the whole thing. But keep in mind, if cars had been required to be as efficient as horses when we rolled the first automobiles out, we'd probably still be saddling up to go to work pardner. Yeehaw, Gem