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Pastimes : Prophecy -- HYPE or HOPE? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: SOROS who wrote (3787)	10/3/2006 10:54:09 PM
From: alan w	Respond to of 5569

Christ returns. When? I don't know?? Soon? Gathers believers from the grave(Which side of the tribulation Christ gathers the elect, I don't know either) and "we who are alive and remain" ie all of His body live and reign with Him for the 1000 years. This is, I believe the milleniel(or 1000 year) reign. Or the next to the last "age". After the 1000 years, non believers are resurrected, judged (Great white throne judgment) and cast into the lake of fire. They are dead during the 1000 year reign and are dead again when cast into the lake of fire(ie the second death). Death is still operational at this point. Then the new heaven and new earth where the body of Christ continues to live and reign with Him for unknown time (This is the last "age"). I believe it to be a long age??). Unbelievers are still dead so death is still operating here also. It's at the end of this final age that Christ makes an end to sin and completely abolishes death. His last reigning act is to abolish death, which is the last enemy. At this point, when the kingdom has been completely subjected, then Christ subjects Himself so that God the Father will be All in all. Final state: The Father All in all. Summary: The saints, ie the body of Christ live and reign with Him for the next 2 ages after this one(in which we now live). 1000 year and new heaven and earth. Unbelievers are dead during these ages. Death is said to be abolished at the end of the ages. At that point, the second death is the only one in operation. Thus, all those in the second death will be vivified to life by Christ's abolition of death. Result: God the Father, All in all All this IMHO! alan w

To: SOROS who wrote (3787)	10/3/2006 11:16:19 PM
From: alan w	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

Oops, forgot the hell part. Hell is from the greek "hades". Hades is literally the imperceptible, the unseen. Ecclessiastes says this: The living know that they must die, but the dead know not anything. Also this: ...in the grave there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom... God told Moses Lo! thou art about to sleep with thy fathers. I believe death is the cessation of life. Psalms tells us that in the day we die, our thoughts perish. Jesus told the disciples that Lazarus was asleep. Then He told them plainly Lazarus is dead. 1 Thessalonians says "the dead in Christ shall rise first". Acts 2 tells us that David is not ascended into the heavens. John says that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. I believe hell/hades is simply death. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable. Lazarus represents the gentiles and the rich man represents the jews. The jews are in torments because the gentiles were brought into the forefront of God's plan. The great chasm they couldn't cross (placed there purposely by God, a stupor, eyes not to be seeing and ears not to be hearing) represented their lack of faith in Christ, THEIR Messiah. The purpose of hell. Death (or cessation of life) itself serves God's purpose well enough. The ration of sin is death.(Slaves are not paid wages, but given rations). He created us. He is the perfect planner. He doesn't need a torture chamber to help with damage control. alan w