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To: Rambi who wrote (181491)	10/4/2006 12:38:13 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793561

I'm not sure what I said that was snide. Maybe it was Maybe you should talk about responsibility to some other folks. I wrote that in response to your I hope the RW will not try to do what Foley himself is doing. What's the difference? ----------------- I abhor any abuse of power or sexual predation and it's irrelevant to me what side of the aisle they sit on. Everything else is superfluous to the behaviors. Good. I agree. If HAstert or others had even a suspicion, a hint, that the Page Program was being used in this way, I hold them ethically responsible. Sounds okay. What is a hint or suspicion though? Was suspicion that Foley was gay and knowledge that he was involved with and friendly with pages enough? If so, every gay man that is involved with dealings with young people should be a suspect. My understanding is Foley had knowledge of friendly emails, though not of x-rated IM's. Personally, in Hastert's place I'd be suspicious of and try to keep someone like Foley (that is a gay) away from young people - course, I'd be called a bigot for that. I think both Foley and Studds are disgusting. Definitely agreed. The other incidents you mention involved consenting adults. I would object to them because they were abuses of power and/or and failure to take responsibility, but I don't find them comparable to what Foley and Studds did. (ALthough Barney Frank as far as I know isn't guilty of anything except being gay and using poor judgment in choosing a partner.) Yeah, I just mentioned the other names because of the "responsibility" angle. It seems to me Democrats can do pretty darn near anything and continue in office and be re-elected. What I believe alters numbers is the intentional use of cases that will skew statistics- and a 16 year old with an 18 year old does just that. That is not predatory - as is a 57 year old and a teen- it's not even ephedophilia. Both sides of any issue are guilty of subjective data gathering, which is why I said I didn't want to argue about it. Your views about this are quite obvious and it would be a waste of both our time to try to convince each other why one study is more valid than another. There is a problem if in order not to count a hypothetical 18 yr old with a 16 yr old, the statistics are confined to pre-pubescent children. The results will be misleading if that is done. I know that some folks, I believe you cited eleutheria on Baker's anti-Bush thread as an example, choose to use those sort of misleading statistics. This is not some odd partisan competition of evil. Ah but the Foley issue is being used for partisan purposes. I see nothing positive in efforts to mitigate or absolve or deflect from Foley's acts by pointing at any one else's. My mentioning of other acts in no way mitigates or absolves Foley not is that my intention. I have said before I'm delighted Foley is gone. My intention in mentioning other folks actions (Studds, etc.) is to address and counter the partisan use of Foley that is going on now. If you want to take pride in the fact that he resigned and you believe that the Republicans really are acting righteously rather than out of political expediency, that's ok. Thank you. I am glad he isn't trying to hold on to power as so many others have done - successfully. I think the reason he isn't arises from a difference between the parties. I also don't find Foley's resignation to be a true taking of responsibility. Had he not been revealed, he would have continued his behavior. It took a humiliating exposure and he still is coming up with many excuses why he is a victim rather than a responsible adult. I agree Foley's a creep.