To: Doren who wrote (57669 ) 10/6/2006 2:58:21 PM From: Cogito Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 213177 >>Users are stupid and should be protected but experienced users should have more options. Take the trash can for example. Default: It should not empty without confirmation. However it should be easy for experienced users to turn this precaution off. Apple usually gets this right but it does blow it sometimes. Like changing boot volumes requires confirmation which drives me nuts.<< Doren - A lot of the things that Apple doesn't provide a GUI option for changing can be changed at the command line. There is a tremendous amount of power available to power users at a UNIX shell prompt. Shell scripts can do some really cool stuff, too. You even have your choice of a number of scripting languages with a Mac. The very serious UNIX power users I know either have Macs, or admire them and would like to have them. They see that Apple affords them a very simple user interface, but with a high level of OS control underneath the hood. Some of these guys are anarchists who prefer Linux because it's free, but they still see the Mac as being a superior platform to Windows. I don't think the average computer user is stupid, really. They just don't know much about how their computer works. Nobody ever taught them. Most of them aren't really interested in how it works, they just want it to do what they want it to do without crashing or displaying confusing dialog boxes. The idea that "many if not most" computer users want more "control" of their machines than Apple gives them is kind of silly. Not sure where that comes from. Certainly not from polling computer users. In any case, I don't think Windows users have any more "control" than Mac users, at least in terms of the OS. True, PC users can swap out motherboards and processors if they want to. But that is hardly something that most users want to do. Mac Pro users can add drives, memory, video cards and whatnot at will, and this has been true for the Pro line for a very long time. - Allen PS: Consider Windows Vista WGA. If Microsoft determines, correctly or incorrectly, that your copy of Vista is bogus, after 30 days it will go into a limited mode that allows you to run only your browser, and only for 60 minutes at a time. I'm sure users will appreciate that kind of control.