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To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 3:39:02 PM
From: Proud_Infidel  Respond to of 20106
 
Re: What the hell is this thread?

It's all factual articles, many of them from arab papers(al jazeera, arabnews, and khaleejtimes etc). The fact that they may not be pretty in no way makes them hateful! It is simply the truth. If you cannot handle it, so be it. But do not call us names because you cannot handle the truth. Do we need to balance out every negative story with a positive one to not be considered a "hate" thread?

Should we ignore what these people are doing simply because it is too offensive to you? This thread is merely a mirror of what is happening in the world.....if you do not like what you see, do not get angry with the mirror.

I will say it again......Wake up.



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 4:59:42 PM
From: Cage Rattler  Respond to of 20106
 
Will you please respond to my earlier query? Perhaps I made your ignore list, who knows?

Message 22892219



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 6:30:10 PM
From: lorne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 20106
 
jerky...."I just don’t think extremism is good on any side of an argument - its counter productive.".....

Ok agreed, extremism is bad anywhere. so what do you suggest be done about radical islam and the millions upon millions of young children being taught to hate all who are not like them...moslums.... What do you suggest be done about those muslims who commit mass murder on a daily basis somewhere in the world each and every day?

What do you suggest be done about the invasion into Europe by muslims and their attempts to change Society to their way of life through force and manipulation of democratic laws.

What do you think France should do about their muslim problems?
You do remember the riots a year or so ago don't you?

Should we in the free world give them the muslims everything they want out of fear or stupidity or should we fight back to protect our way of life.

The USA is not yet in the dangerous position of France and other European countries with there muslim invasions but it can happen if the free world does not unite and stop the spread of radical islam.

What do you suggest...you seem to be able to critisize anyone who wants to do something or fight back..but what do you suggest...hug em and squeeze em and love em and maybe they will go away and leave us alone?



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 6:40:34 PM
From: Proud_Infidel  Respond to of 20106
 
Show me a link to any religious person (other than islamic) who says anything remotely similar to this......and links please.....this is yet another example of "only in islam".......

An Islamic mufti in Copenhagen has sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape."


cphpost.dk

An Islamic mufti in Copenhagen, Shahid Mehdi, has sparked political outcry from the left-wing Unity List and right-wing Danish People's Party, after stating in a televised interview that women who do not wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Unity List equality spokesman Pernille Rosenkrantz-Theil has threatened to file suit for defamation against the mufti on behalf of herself and all the women of Denmark. The Danish People's Party has urged Justice Minister Lene Espersen and Integration Minister Bertel Haarder to stop the mufti's religious activities in Copenhagen.

Shahid Mehdi made his remarks in the DR2 programme "Talk to Gode," and reiterated his stance in daily newspaper B.T. The Danish People's Party and Unity List agree that Mehdi's remarks could incite Muslim men to rape Danish women by insinuating that women who did not cover their hair were undeserving of basic respect.

As a mufti, a jurist who interprets Islamic law, Shahi Mehdi is in a special position of authority as a Muslim scholar. Mehdi is currently affiliated with the Islamic Cultural Center in Copenhagen, but Pernille Rosenkrantz-Theil has urged officials to ban his teachings in Denmark due to his "reactionary view of women."

"The very idea that this man is authorised to teach young people in the Koran is ludicrous. It's like letting (Danish Nazi leader) Johnny Hansen teach the history of World War II," said Rosenkrantz-Theil.

The Socialist People's Party is urging Integration Minister Bertel Haarder to investigate whether Mehdi had violated Danish laws prohibiting foreign religious clerics from engaging in activity that poses a threat to public safety, health, decency and order.



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 6:46:30 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20106
 
A Judgment Rooted in Ignorance

Dear Darren,

Fitzgerald: A judgment rooted in ignorance
Jihadwatch.org

The teacher, using an instructional guide, told students they would adopt roles as Muslims for three weeks to help them learn what Muslims believe.
She encouraged them to use Muslim names, recited prayers in class, had them memorize and recite a passage from the Quran and made them give up something for a day, such as television or candy, to simulate fasting during the month of Ramadan. - from this news article
What prayers are said? Is the Profession of Faith one of those things that is said? Do little boys and girls say the Shehada, and are then told "now you have done what everyone has to do to become a Muslim"? And if so, is this done under the beaming eye of the teacher? And do the children return home, full of stories about "I recited this prayer and if I want, I can be a Muslim" or "I did just what Muslims do, mom, and it's really neat" or "I really like those prayers, they're just kinda like our prayers so I think the teacher is right, all religions are just the same" or [fill in the seemingly innocent, in reality quite dangerous nonsense]? Those helpless little heads are a captive audience of their teachers, whether those teachers are of the terminally naive variety or the sinister sort. Who suggested this lesson plan? Who's been pushing it?

Neither the judges in the lower courts, nor the Justices of the Supreme Court, know a thing about Islam. They may not realize the psychological effect on young children of having them participate in such a way by not merely studying, but by adopting roles as Muslims. Studying is one thing, if the studying is not simply the usual apologetics and nonsense, focused on such trivia as Ramadan and Iftar and the upright "family values" of Muslims (tell that to Muhammad's Jewish concubine, whose husband, father, brother were killed by Muhammad, or to his Coptic concubine/wife, or to little Aisha and all the little child-brides of today, legalized in Iran and elsewhere, because of Muhammad as the model). Studying should rather focus on the core of Islam that matters so much: the uncompromising division of the world between Believer and Infidel and the endless war between them, which stops only when all obstacles to the dominance of Islam everywhere end, and everywhere Muslims rule.

Would the Supreme Court allow similar indoctrination into any other religion? Would it permit schools to insist that all schoolchildren should study, say, the Baltimore Catechism, and learn to provide the teacher, in a public school, with the memorized answers from that Catechism? How long would that be permitted? Ten seconds?

Where is the ACLU on this? How silly of me to ask, how pointless to wonder.

Like the Executive branch with tarbaby Iraq, and like Congress, which is divided between those who support Bush blindly and those who oppose him equally blindly (with only a handful who see the truth), the Judicial branch of our government thinks it can deal with questions involving Islam without comprehending Islam, without comprehending the psychology of a child who may be affected permanently by a cute little experiment in international living, or rather by a sinister, not innocent, attempt to manipulate minds.

This has to be reconsidered. There must, on the Supreme Court, be one or two capable of comprehending this. There must be one or two who are capable of understanding that Islam is not just a "religion" or, still worse, a religion "of peace and tolerance" or "one of the world's great religions." It is a complete system of regulation of life, a total explanation of the universe, a political and even geopolitical program, together with -- yes -- those Five Pillars of Worship which, of course, are in the damn unit on Islam, the one on World Religions that will make them all equal, but will be especially solicitous (you can bet on it) of Islam, Islam, Islam.

Look at all the gushing bits on television about the observance of Ramadan, and Iftar dinners, and all those articles in every newspaper about "What it Means to be a Young Muslim Woman in America Today" and "What It Means to be a Young Muslim Professional in America Today" and "What It Means to be a Young Arab Muslim In America Today" and "What It Means to be a Convert to Islam Today" and so on.

Seen any articles on Hindus lately? On Buddhists? On Sikhs? Why not? Why don't we see gushing articles about them, or television bites on, say, Hindu festivals and other observances (why can't we find out about those?), or on the Five K's of the Sikhs, or on the lost lamaseries of Lhasa? Why not? Cat got someone's tongue? Or are all those other, peaceful religions, which are entirely unhostile to the political, legal, and moral institutions of the Western world, for that very reason to be treated as non-existent or uninteresting?

My. Perhaps Hindus and Buddhists and Sikhs could tell us a thing or two about Islam -- Islam in India, Islam in Malaysia, Islam in Indonesia. Now and in the past. We might learn something. We might find out that the problem is a bit more than Islam and America, or even Islam and the West.

Islam -- and All the Rest. That's the problem. And the problem is not with all the rest. The odd man out, the causer of the problems whatever other faith it comes up against, is Islam.





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To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 6:53:21 PM
From: Proud_Infidel  Respond to of 20106
 
Rape law reform lays bare Pakistan's political morass

washingtonpost.com

By Simon Cameron-Moore
Reuters
Monday, September 25, 2006; 8:25 AM

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The 24-year-old Pakistani woman has medical reports saying she's been raped. What she hasn't got is four male witnesses that the country's Islamic law says she needs to prove it.

"Rapists don't bring four witnesses to watch," the university graduate said in a quavering voice as she lay in a hospital where she has been treated for the past week for swelling, inflammation and other injuries.

If she filed a rape case and lost, she could be tried and jailed for adultery under a set of Islamic laws introduced in 1979 by then military dictator Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq.

Just days before the young woman was raped by two men from a gang that abducted her, parliament embarked on a tortuous debate over a bill that proposed putting the crime of rape under the civil criminal code and removing it from the Hudood Ordinances, as Pakistan's parallel Islamic laws are known.

Under the civil code, a victim would only need the medical reports and other evidence to prove rape.

The issue highlights a long struggle between progressive and religious conservative forces to set the future course of this turbulent Muslim nation of over 150 million people.

The bill is the result of lobbying by activists rather than any popular campaign, but it does have widespread support among a public that recognizes the injustice of the Hudood law on rape.

"Common sense doesn't accept it, so I'm sure it won't be in Islam and the Koran," said Beenish Mazhar, a housewife from the northwestern city of Peshawar.

The bill is backed by President Pervez Musharraf, a general who came to power in a coup seven years ago, but sees himself on the side of the progressives.

His problem is that in holding onto power he has sidelined the mainstream parties, who represent the constituencies who share his vision for Pakistan, and given Islamist parties -- who oppose any change in the Hudood laws -- more leverage.

STIRRED CONSCIENCES

Because the scales are loaded against the victim, most rapes go unreported. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said the media published reports on 55 cases of rape and 38 of gang rape in the first six months of the year.



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (2234)10/9/2006 6:58:23 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 20106
 
No we already hate them, we are just educating morons like you