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To: Keith Feral who wrote (2547)10/10/2006 9:54:12 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 10087
 
think that a Danish paper that publishes blasphemous comments about Muslims ought to be put out of business. We don't accept this kind of behavior regarding sexism or racism

Yes we do, at least in terms of the action your proposing. We don't put publications out of business for sexist or racist comments, unless your talking about the possibility of lowered circulation and thus losses, and thus eventually the periodical stops publishing, but I don't think that's what you meant. If it is what you meant its not something that will always work. There is some market for sexist or even racist comments, also if someone is willing to publish at a loss...



To: Keith Feral who wrote (2547)10/10/2006 10:47:21 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 10087
 
There is a very active and powerful group of lawyers who long ago organized anti-Jewish defamation leagues in all major communities of the USA. They work diligently and have accomplished a great deal in their work to ward off disrespectful practices and I don't see the public up in arms about their approach. I really don't know anything about their organization or methods, other than it seems effective.



To: Keith Feral who wrote (2547)10/11/2006 12:50:28 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10087
 
Korean Declaration of War?

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Pyongyang Says Sanctions Would Be 'Declaration of War'
By HANS GREIMEL, AP

SEOUL, South Korea (Oct. 11) -- North Korea stoked regional tensions Wednesday, threatening more nuclear tests and saying additional sanctions imposed on it would be considered an act of war, as nervous neighbors raced to bolster defenses and punish Pyongyang.

South Korea said it was making sure its troops were prepared for atomic warfare, and Japan imposed new economic sanctions to hit the economic lifeline of the communist nation's 1 million-member military, the world's fifth-largest.

North Korea, in its first formal statement since Monday's claimed atomic bomb test, hailed the blast as a success and said attempts by the outside world to penalize North Korea with sanctions would be considered an act of war.

Further pressure will be countered with physical retaliation, the North's Foreign Ministry warned in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

"If the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures," the statement, said without specifying what those measures could be.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the United States would not attack North Korea, rejecting a suggestion that Pyongyang may feel it needs nuclear weapons to stave off an Iraq-style U.S. invasion.

Rice told CNN that President Bush has told the North Koreans that "there is no intention to invade or attack them. So they have that guarantee. ... I don't know what more they want."

But she also said that the decision by Pyongyang to go ahead with its nuclear program means it likely will see "international condemnation and international sanctions unlike anything that they have faced before."

North Korea's No. 2 leader, Kim Yong Nam, threatened in an interview with a Japanese news agency that there would also be more nuclear tests if Washington continued what he called its "hostile attitude."

Kim, second to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, told Kyodo News agency that further nuclear testing would hinge on U.S. policy toward his communist government.

"The issue of future nuclear tests is linked to U.S. policy toward our country," Kim Yong Nam was quoted as saying when asked whether Pyongyang will conduct more tests.

Along the razor-wired no-man's-land separating the divided Koreas, communist troops were more boldly trying to provoke their southern counterparts: spitting across the demarcation line, making throat-slashing hand gestures, flashing their middle finger and trying to talk to the troops, said U.S. Army Maj. Jose DeVarona of Fayetteville, N.C., adding that the overall situation was calm.

On the streets of North Korea's capital, it seemed like business as usual. Video by AP Television News showed people milling about Kim II Sung square in Pyongyang and rehearsing a performance for the 80th anniversary of the "Down with Imperialism Union."

South Korean Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung said that Seoul could enlarge its conventional arsenal to deal with a potentially nuclear-armed North Korea.

Scientists and other governments have said Monday's underground test has yet to be confirmed, with some experts saying the blast was significantly smaller than even the first nuclear bombs dropped on Japan during World War II.

North Korea appeared to respond to that Wednesday, saying in its statement that it "successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions."

In rare direct criticism of the communist regime from Seoul, South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun said the security threat cited by North Korea "either does not exist in reality, or is very exaggerated," according to South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

He spoke even as South Korea's military was checking its readiness for nuclear attack, Yonhap said. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended improving the military's defenses, possibly with state-of-the-art weapons to destroy nuclear missiles, the report said.

The top U.S. general in South Korea said that American forces are fully capable of deterring an attack despite the North's still-unconfirmed nuclear test.

"Be assured that the alliance has the forces necessary to deter aggression, and should deterrence fail, decisively defeat any North Korean attack against" South Korea, U.S. Army Gen. B.B. Bell said in a statement to troops. "U.S. forces have been well- trained to confront nuclear, biological and chemical threats."

About 29,500 U.S. soldiers are deployed in the South, a remnant of the 1950-53 Korean War that ended in a cease-fire, not a formal peace treaty.

Bell said seismic waves detected after the claimed test were still being analyzed and it had not been yet determined if the test was successful.

Japan took steps to punish North Korea for the test, prohibiting its ships from entering Japanese ports and imposing a total ban on imports from the impoverished nation. North Korean nationals are also prohibited from entering Japan, with limited exceptions, the Cabinet Office said in a statement released after an emergency security meeting late Wednesday.

A total ban on imports and ships could be disastrous for North Korea, whose produce like clams and mushroom earns precious foreign currency on the Japanese market. Ferries also serve as a major conduit of communication between the two countries, which have no diplomatic relations.

Tokyo has already halted food aid and imposed limited financial sanctions against North Korea after it test-fired seven missiles into waters between Japan and the Korean peninsula in July, including one capable of reaching the United States.

A report that North Korea may have conducted a second test rattled nerves Wednesday before the Japanese government said there was no indication of a blast.

Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported around 8:30 a.m. that unidentified government sources were saying "tremors" had been detected in North Korea. South Korean and U.S. seismic monitoring stations said they hadn't detected any indications of a second test, findings backed by White House spokesman Blair Jones.

With the United Nations debating how to respond to North Korea, China agreed to punishment but not the severe sanctions backed by the U.S.

Beijing is seen as having the greatest outside leverage on North Korea as a traditional ally and top provider of badly needed economic and energy aid.

The United States asked the U.N. Security Council to impose a partial trade embargo including strict limits on Korea's weapons exports and freezing of related financial assets.

All imports would be inspected too, to filter materials that could be made into nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.



To: Keith Feral who wrote (2547)10/11/2006 4:42:45 PM
From: Lane3  Respond to of 10087
 
I think that a Danish paper that publishes blasphemous comments about Muslims ought to be put out of business. We don't accept this kind of behavior regarding sexism or racism,

Sexism and racism are about immutable personal characteristics. It's totally unacceptable to diminish people for characteristics they were born with.

Religion is about ideas. We have to be able to challenge ideas. I would agree that we don't need to be rude about challenging people's closely held ideas, but ideas must continue to be fair game. Claiming "blasphemy" is about making certain ideas unchallengeable. It's a power play. It's rather like the ad hominem logic fallacy, a tactic for when you don't have a logical argument. No idea should be sacrosanct.