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To: John Carragher who wrote (182800)	10/14/2006 9:35:11 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793917

I have heard that the most common reason for this to happen is called the "box canyon" problem. They have had lots of planes hit the walls of the Grand Canyon when they joy ride down into the canyon. It's a problem with judging the turning radius. Pilots think they can turn in a smaller circle than they really can.

To: John Carragher who wrote (182800)	10/14/2006 10:44:18 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793917

Thanks, John. I see this morning that: Clearance now required to fly above E. River nydailynews.com BY GREG WILSON and MICHAEL SAUL DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU Small planes will not be allowed to fly over the East River unless they have authorization from air-traffic controllers, the Federal Aviation Administration announced last night. The decision extends temporary air-space restrictions and ends two days of debate about whether such aircraft belong in the low skies above Manhattan. "This is great news both in terms of safety, since the East River can be a dangerous route for inexperienced fliers, and in terms of combating terrorism," said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who had called for the move a day earlier. Prior to the crash of Yankee Cory Lidle's plane, which killed the pitcher and his flight instructor, small planes had been permitted to fly above the river without authorization from area control towers, provided they stayed below 1,100 feet. The FAA, which released the news in a statement sent out to fliers, said fixed-wing aircraft will not be able to fly the corridor without clearance until a comprehensive review of guidelines is completed. The ruling does not affect helicopters or seaplanes in the corridor, which extends from the southwestern tip of Governors Island to the northern tip of Roosevelt Island, below an altitude of 1,100 feet. Before the ruling yesterday, Mayor Bloomberg, himself an amateur pilot, chided lawmakers for "rushing to the microphones" to demand restrictions.Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan), whose district includes the crash scene, said she hopes the FAA makes the restrictions permanent and expands them to include helicopters. "Aircraft need to be under the supervision of air-traffic control when navigating the dangerous and crowded East River corridor," Maloney said. "Unsupervised, low-flying planes and high-rise buildings do not mix." Originally published on October 14, 2006