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To: sea_urchin who wrote (12928)	6/7/2007 8:47:12 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 22250

I do understand, thanks. It's clear that the Church of Rome deviated from orthodoxy after 400-700 AD and substituted the Pope as the proxy for Jesus and, after that, having made God here on earth, it did what it liked. Likewise, the Protestant churches. What happened in 400 A.D.? The real estrangement between the East and the West began to emerge in the time of St. Photius the Great in the 9th century. It did not happen overnight. St. Photius through his godly efforts even preserved the bond of unity and staved off total estrangement for more than a century. Pope Nicholas I (9th century) was the first Pope to stubbornly assert his supremacy over the other bishops of the Church in a real way. I am not saying that certain previous Popes didn't have inklings of universal supremacy, but they simply were unable to realize their desires. Pope Nicholas I efforts were thwarted for a time by both St. Photius, Archbishop of Constantinople, and Archbishop Hincmar of Rheims, until well over a century and a half later, when as I said Rome definitively and decisively departed from the Church. And so far she has yet to return nearly one thousand years later.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (12928)	6/7/2007 9:13:24 PM
From: Cyprian	Respond to of 22250

I might add, a simple way to help ascertain when the real estrangement of the East and West began to take shape is to simply examine which saints each venerates. The Papists exhibit great hatred for St. Photius the Great (†891), who is considered one of the three Holy Pillars of Orthodoxy. St. Gregory Palamas (†1359) and St. Mark of Ephesus (†1443) are the other two holy pillars who valiantly withstood the innovations and intrigues of the Latin Papists, preserving Holy Orthodoxy. Prior to the time of St. Photius, the Papists (at least in pretense) venerate many of the same universally known saints as the Orthodox.