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To: mistermj who wrote (207032)	10/26/2006 5:48:33 PM
From: Keith Feral	Respond to of 281500

Hybrid engines, hydrogen fuel cell cars, coal to liquid fuel technology, diesel engines - these are all new technologies to expand the availability of fuel. Canadian oil sands are removing our dependence on opec oil. US oil shale may not be far behind. What an epic CO2 event when we are burning coal to produce electricity to make oil shale into gasoline and diesel to drive our cars.

To: mistermj who wrote (207032)	10/26/2006 7:17:59 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

A declining Hubbert curve does not mean there is resource depletion or that we have less energy. That's not what he said. But any usage curve of oil means there is depletion. jttmab

To: mistermj who wrote (207032)	10/26/2006 8:21:14 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

Why do you keep switching the subject to 'energy' from oil. Of course we have large sources of energy from multiple sources, most importantly from the sun. Try putting some rays into your gas tank and see how far that takes you. With oil nearing the oil shock highs IN REAL TERMS investment in alternative sources becomes more viable. IMO this is a good thing and prevents a Malthusian catastrophe in the future. Brazil saw the writing on the wall the last time, the US just became stupid again, was shocked by $3 gallon/gasoline and is now cheering $2 gallon/gasoline by buying a Hummer. ============== "We should be reminded that some of our grandfathers were excellent oil finders even though they worked with the crudest of tools. For example, the peak year for discoveries of world-class oil field giants, i.e, ultimate recovery of 500 million bbl oil, in the U.S. was 1930—in the world, 1962." dieoff.org "The Hubbert Peak theory posits that for any given geographical area, from an individual oil field to the planet as a whole, the rate of oil production tends to follow a bell-shaped curve. Early in the curve (pre-peak), production increases due to the addition of infrastructure. Late in the curve (post-peak), production declines due to resource depletion." en.wikipedia.org

To: mistermj who wrote (207032)	10/26/2006 8:26:46 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

“It took us 125 years to use the first trillion barrels of oil,” notes Chevron Corporation’s two full-page ad that began appearing in July in the Wall Street Journal, the Economist, Financial Times and elsewhere. “We’ll use the next trillion in 30,” the ad continues, thus quietly admitting to the Peak Oil that the industry has not previously disclosed.... Exxon/Mobil has also recently admitted to Peak Oil, but without all Chevron’s fanfare. Their report “The Outlook for Energy: The 2030 View” forecasts a peak in five years. “No oil company has ever discussed peak oil production before,” writes energy consultant Alfred Cavallo in the May/June issue of the authoritative Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. “The public should heed the silent alarm sounded by the Exxon/Mobil report,” he continues...." energybulletin.net Granted none of these people can be trusted to watch over your drink at a party, it's still quite an interesting admission.