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To: Dale Baker who wrote (30486)	10/26/2006 7:09:26 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541988

I don't particularly have an issue with a person being religious. I consider myself a spritual person. When it comes to Bush and religion, I have two issues: (1) as I have been trying to convey, it is a matter of degrees. For example, in the article you provided Bush says: "I think if...you become more spiritual, you begin to realize the effect of alcohol over-consuming because it begins to drown the spirit...If you change your heart, you can change your behavior" This is a position with which most Americans could agree with. But Bush was being careful use "sprituality" rather than "Christianity". He used "spirit" rather than "soul". He made sure he said "a seed in my heart" rather than will of God and consultations with Him. The dictionary meaning of these may be close but their connotations are not. He was deceptive. In fact, he still speaks from both sides of his mouth when it comes to religion; he uses code words and phrases that his RR supporters would easily pick on but many Americans would not...I don't know about you, but I find this behaviour highly objectionable...are other politicians liars as well? Yes they are, but I think GW gets the cake on that front and I find his behaviour more disgusting since he wraps it the flag and in self righteousness...and I don't think he really cares much for anything beyond his "legacy" and his hunger for power. 'nuff said ST

To: Dale Baker who wrote (30486)	10/26/2006 7:49:58 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541988

FYI - Religion in USA Only rarely are people polled about the importance that religion plays in their life. It is simple to identify oneself as following a particular religion. But that term covers both the devout, sincere believer and the nominal adherent. One source 5 described the results of a 1993 in-depth survey of about 4,000 American adults. They concluded that: 30% are totally secular in outlook 29% are barely or nominally religious 22% are modestly religious 19% regularly practice their religion. 17% are an Atheist or Agnostic. 22% believe that the Bible is inerrant. 40% of adults aged 18 to 29 are unchurched. 47% believe that Jesus engaged in sinful behavior while on earth. 49% reject the God of the Bible (perfect, present, omnipotent, omniscient, creator of the universe). 67% say that Satan is not a living being but a symbol of evil. religioustolerance.org It appears that in fact most Americans are not that religious...certainly not even close to how religious Bush portrays himself, which I guess is the reason for all his coded speeches and his initial "spritual" rather than religious stance. >> the vast majority of Americans are also religious.