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To: Rambi who wrote (184416)	10/28/2006 10:47:17 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793743

Remember, Euterpe, I said "evidently" and the other operative word I used was "embryonic" .... Fox has not contradicted the thought I, and I am sure others have made. I have to ask "Why not"....? In fact, IF he and his Foundation really wanted all of us to be clear as to his intent, he would have said it openly. To my knowledge, NO ONE legally has made a determination as to time, exactly where the line in the sand is to be drawn as to when life begins, and THAT is the dilemma. Some people believe, truly believe, that it begins the second one cell splits into two, and so on. Others believe it is after the first trimester. Still others believe it is when the baby-to-be can be expected to survive outside the womb. And still others believe that it is at the exact moment the baby is born and breathes on its' own. I have my own thoughts as to when that is, but we aren't discussing my thoughts and beliefs. As I said, there seem to be many kinds of research on stems cells being done. Embryonic so far as I can determine, has nothing that has even been close to helping (or thought to help) solve any of the medical problems that he and the Foundation have been touting. Adult stem cells evidently are most promising. I have heard, but don't know, that placenta stem cells could be the most helpful of all. And BTW, as we all know from reading the papers every day, and listening to the radio, that various things are taken to the extreme every single day..... For instance, Who would have even given a second thought even 50 years ago about the possibility of two humans of the same sex marrying each other??? Who would have even considered that any of the sexual things that are discussed every single day today on the front pages of our MSM and else place, would have even been an open topic of conversation 50 years ago? How many of us would have dreamed that the term and definition of a BJ and other such things would have been discussed and defined on the front pages of newspapers, and on TV and radio shows? Who would have an idea that some places and some people in the world evidently have set up shop to harvest organs and limbs from people who are not dying )except for this) as a profit making venture????? So just in case you wonder about talking about "extremes", I think everyone would be wise to think about where we are heading with this one!

To: Rambi who wrote (184416)	10/28/2006 11:05:32 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793743

There is some good info out there, including MJF's Foundation, and see the Anchoress and the current and past articles from many sources: michaeljfox.org Funding Contributions MJFF-raised funds $57.1 million PD Community Organizations (35 groups) $2.6 million Additional Commitments* $9.7 million TOTAL: $69.4 million *Several organizations, including NIH and the Department of Defense, have funded MJFF-directed Parkinson's research through joint or parallel programs. Since these funds were not paid through the Foundation, they are not reflected in revenues on our financial statements. SO, my question as to how much has the US Government has actually funded Stem Cell Research....I KNOW GWB has asked for, and been given, authorization for funding of %15+ million, but I have seen references to numbers MUCH larger...Note the above bolded statement from his own Foundation page. 888888888888888 Many links on the Stem Cell Research being done, and particularly information on "Embryonic" stem cell research, from the Anchoress: theanchoressonline.com Including this article: news.yahoo.com Stem cells might cause brain tumors, study finds Sun Oct 22, 3:22 PM ET Injecting human embryonic stem cells into the brains of Parkinson's disease patients may cause tumors to form, U.S. researchers reported on Sunday. Steven Goldman and colleagues at the University of Rochester Medical Center in New York said human stem cells injected into rat brains turned into cells that looked like early tumors. Writing in the journal Nature Medicine, the researchers said the transplants clearly helped the rats, but some of the cells started growing in a way that could eventually lead to a tumor. Various types of cell transplants are being tried to treat Parkinson's disease, caused when dopamine-releasing cells die in the brain. This key neurotransmitter, or message-carrying chemical, is involved in movement and Parkinson's patients suffer muscle dysfunction that can often lead to paralysis. Drugs can slow the process for a while but there is no cure. The idea behind brain cell transplants is to replace the dead cells. Stem cells are considered particularly promising as they can be directed to form the precise desired tissue and do not trigger an immune response. Goldman's team used human embryonic stem cells. Taken from days-old embryos, these cells can form any kind of cell in the body. This batch had been cultured in substances aimed at making them become brain cells. Previous groups have tried to coax stem cells into becoming dopamine-releasing cells. Goldman's team apparently succeeded and transplanted them into the rats with an equivalent of Parkinson's damage. The animals did get better. But the grafted cells started to show areas that no longer consisted of dopamine-releasing neurons, but of dividing cells that had the potential to give rise to tumors. The researchers killed the animals before they could know for sure, and said any experiments in humans would have to be done very cautiously. Scientists have long feared that human embryonic stem cells could turn into tumors, because of their pliability. Opponents of embryonic stem cell research cite such threats. Many opponents, including President George W. Bush and some members of Congress, believe it is immoral to destroy human embryos to obtain their stem cells. theanchoressonline.com