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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (308323)	10/31/2006 11:12:49 AM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 1572939

"What to the Dems suggest? Pull out and let 'em have at it? DO they even have a plan?" It doesn't really matter what the Dems plan. If they can't get the president on board, it is pretty pointless. And he has loudly proclaimed that nothing will change while he is in office. There are basically two choices. Pull out or greatly increase the number of troops on the ground. If we increase the number of troops, we are in for the long haul. The tensions brewing in Iraq are the sort that takes generations to settle. We might have been able to pull it off if we had followed up with more police types in the wake of the invasion and put a lid on the country. That, followed with a serious attempt at rebuilding infrastructure and getting businesses back in operation giving people jobs. Instead we played ideological games and putting pet economic theories in play. So now Bagdad has 4-6 hours of electricity a day and many areas don't have running water any more. The unemployment rate is sky high and there has been little, if any progress in restoring the economy. Who knows, it might not have been any different if we had done the things I have detailed. But there was no chance if those things weren't done. We have choices, but none of them are good at this point.

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (308323)	10/31/2006 11:20:53 AM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 1572939

Bush is lying. Democrats are for phased withdrawl. That is a plan. But no plan is a great one because Bush has made such a debacle out of it in Iraq. Bottomline, we have to save our troops and our money. It's all being wasted over there. Democrats are not a monolith so they don't all agree on the details, but that can be hammered out. Many top Republicans also agree on the phased withdrawl, as do experts like James Baker, whether they are saying so yet or not. The fact is, Iraq is a total bloody mess now. And it will be a bloody mess whether we stay or go. Many people say that if we go, it will ease tensions tremendously and violence will subside. Only one way to find out. But if we stay, more of the same. And we certainly don't have any extra troops to send there. The theory of using overwhelming force is bogus. The time to try that was 2003. It's too late to try it now. That would just be gasoline on the fire.

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (308323)	11/1/2006 3:11:21 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572939

What to the Dems suggest? Pull out and let 'em have at it? DO they even have a plan? What plan does Bush have? Stay the course?