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To: Bill who wrote (52842)	11/3/2006 2:30:54 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

>>Depends on how you define winning. If winning is defined by accomplishing the three stated reasons we entered Iraq (depose Saddam, extinguish WMD threat, bring 'democracy' to Iraqi people), we already 'won' this war a year-and-a-half ago when the Iraqis elected their government. If winning is defined by a state of little or no violence in Iraq, we are not winning and never will. IMO.<< Bill - Interesting. If the goals of the war did not include the eventual cessation of violence, then I'd say there was a problem in setting the goals. See, I define victory in war as requiring three elements, at least. One, your enemy stops fighting you. Two, you get to set the terms of the peace. Three, your troops, at least most of them, get to pack up and go home. Does anyone object to that definition? I should hope not. If you can show that you are making progress toward those ends, then you can reasonably say you are "winning" a war. By that definition, we clearly haven't won, and we're not winning. In Iraq, though Saddam's army was routed, our enemies have morphed and multiplied into various factions, and some of those factions are now fighting not only us but each other as well. Even you apparently believe the violence will never stop. So there is no evidence of impending victory there. If we're not winning and never will, doesn't that mean we are in a quagmire? - Allen