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To: Sully- who wrote (53074)	11/6/2006 3:42:17 PM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

"Spin & obfuscate all you want. No one has yet challenged the findings of the ISG. The ISG report, on its own, provides overwhelming proof that Saddam's removal was justified. Since then, more irrefutable evidence has surfaced to bolster the findings of the ISG. Though the MSM & DNC have ignored, dismissed & intentionally distorted it, none of it has been discredited with credible, independently verifiable evidence." I couldn't agree more. What I don't understand, though, is why the administration isn't out there beating this drum? There's plenty of evidence that there WERE WMDs in Iraq, for example, yet I hear no defense from anybody. Maybe if Bush had made more noise about this, his Job Approval polls wouldn't be in the 30s?

To: Sully- who wrote (53074)	11/6/2006 3:54:23 PM
From: Cogito	Respond to of 90947

>>Spin & obfuscate all you want. No one has yet challenged the findings of the ISG. The ISG report, on its own, provides overwhelming proof that Saddam's removal was justified. Since then, more irrefutable evidence has surfaced to bolster the findings of the ISG. Though the MSM & DNC have ignored, dismissed & intentionally distorted it, none of it has been discredited with credible, independently verifiable evidence. And even though you, the MSM & DNC prefer this tactic when you are on the losing side of a debate, unsubstantiated OPINIONS prove nothing. They simply have no basis in fact or reality.<< Sully - You offered links to the Senate Intelligence Committee report and the UK Butler report as evidence in support of the yellowcake story, and I assumed, since we had been discussing WMDs in general, in support of your view on them. I quoted relevant sections of the conclusions of SIC report. As I already knew, the report does support my view. Saying that I am basing my statements on unsubstantiated OPINIONS is, therefore, wrong. In fact, I had reviewed that report when it came out, and have based my views on it in large part. The SIC report also doesn't support your view that Joseph Wilson is a liar and a whore. (Pardon me if those aren't the words you used.) The report says that the people who prepared the 2002 NIE did not have access to the forged documents related to the Niger story, and that Saddam "may" have tried to purchase yellowcake from somewhere in Africa. Wilson had claimed that the documents showing a purchase or attempted purchase from Niger were forgeries, and that he found no evidence that such a purchase was attempted. His mission was not to search all over Africa. Of course I realize that attacking the character of anyone who disagrees with them is standard practice for this Administration, so I'm not surprised that you engage in it yourself. I've been looking through the Butler report, but haven't had time to finish it. I do notice that in much more polite and subtle language than our SIC used, it basically says that the raw intelligence data that went into the famous "Dossier" that was used to support the WMD case in the UK, was full of caveats and warnings about the unreliability of sources, etc., and that all those warnings were removed when the Dossier was prepared, making the case appear far stronger than it was. I'll go ahead and look at the ISG report now. I did rely on media analysis of its contents when it came out. I'd appreciate it if you would acknowledge that my opinions in this specific matter have been based on documents to which you referred me, and are thus not unsubstantiated. - Allen