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To: LindyBill who wrote (185421)11/7/2006 2:49:40 AM
From: RinConRon  Respond to of 793866
 
Brings to mind:



Dane-geld
(A.D. 980-1016)
Rudyard Kipling

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IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:—
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:—
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:—

“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”



To: LindyBill who wrote (185421)11/7/2006 10:25:29 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793866
 
I cannot think of a single example of where appeasement – giving in to an aggressive adversary in the hope that it will convince them to become peaceful themselves – has provided any lasting peace or security. I can say in complete honesty that I look forward to hearing of any historical example that shows it does.


There must be an example somewhere where it has worked because the aggressive adversary destroyed himself somewhere else, or just died, so you didn't wind up having to fight him after all. Appeasement can buy time - if it is used to make preparations and not just bury your head in the sand, it is not necessarily a bad thing.

Can't think of an example offhand, though.



To: LindyBill who wrote (185421)11/7/2006 12:27:57 PM
From: SirWalterRalegh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793866
 
<<I cannot think of a single example of where appeasement – giving in to an aggressive adversary in the hope that it will convince them to become peaceful themselves – has provided any lasting peace or security. I can say in complete honesty that I look forward to hearing of any historical example that shows it does.

It depends on which side of the fence you're on. Muammar al-Qadhafi would be an example of the other side of the fence.