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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: maceng2 who wrote (7966)	11/7/2006 11:37:47 AM
From: Triffin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

The good thing about scientific debate is the conclusions are usually straightforward and clear cut. Would that it were so .. Since the 'weather scientists' can't tell me what will be happening next week; why would I have any confidence in the ability of paleo-climatologists to accurately assess past climatic conditions with the degree of precision that they claim ?? I'll start to pay attention when the climatic models can accurately predict the present <g> Meanwhile, I'll enjoy our planet's variable climate <gg> Triff ..

To: maceng2 who wrote (7966)	11/7/2006 12:08:00 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 36917

"The good thing about scientific debate is the conclusions are usually straightforward and clear cut." I suppose that depends on what is being debated. If what you are referring to is a consensus of opinion without hard data we call it opinion. Do you know what we call opinion in the lack of evidence? We call it prejudice. Like Norman Myers predicting in the 1970's a million species would be extinct by the year 2000 or Paul Erlich predicted fifty percent of all species would be extinct by the year 2000. "The inspired incantations of words can induce pleasure and avert grief; for the power of the incantations, uniting with the feeling in the soul, soothes and persuades and transports by means of its wizardry. Two types of wizardry and magic have been invented, which are errors in the soul and deceptions in the mind. Their persuasions by means of fictions are innumerable; for if everyone had recollection of the past, knowledge of the present, and foreknowledge of the future, the power of speech would not be so great. But as it is, when men can neither remember the past nor observe the present nor prophesy the future, deception is easy; so that most men offer opinion as advice to the soul. But opinion, being unreliable, involves those who accept it in equally uncertain fortunes." Encomium on Helen - by Gorgias

To: maceng2 who wrote (7966)	11/7/2006 4:08:30 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

"Dick Lindzen emailed me last week to say that constant repetition of wrong numbers doesn't make them right. Removing the UN's solecisms, and using reasonable data and assumptions, a simple global model shows that temperature will rise by just 0.1 to 1.4C in the coming century, with a best estimate of 0.6C, well within the medieval temperature range and only a fifth of the UN's new, central projection." Yet, if you do a count of the posts on SI about Global Warming you will find an overwhelming number of leftwingers appear to have faith in the UN and other dire predictions.