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To: Brumar89 who wrote (53159)11/7/2006 5:40:41 PM
From: Ichy Smith  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 90947
 
Why should Churches or other religious organizations be income or property tax exempt, or donations be considered for charitable deductions.

If that's what you want, you should seek to achieve that end via legislation rather than impose your views judicially, which is what I am sure will be attempted eventually.


well it isn't what i want, but I don't understand the rationale for passing the costs of ones religious beliefs on to those of us without a religious affiliation.

If a Gay young man grows up in the Boy Scouts, and becomes a leader just like all his friends, why should he not be accorded the same rights?

I'm talking about adults who lead groups of young people on Scout outings, almost alwasy a parent. The BSA is being villified and sued by the ACLU, has been kicked off of military bases (where people and their families live) and I don't know what else, over a gay guy in NJ (James Dale) in his 20's with no children who just wants to be a scout leader cause he wants to and its discrimination becuase he was refused.


I looked him up on wickedpedia.....
He was an EAGLE Scout who was an assistant to the scout master, and his crime was admitting he was gay. He didn't molest anyone or do anything wrong, he was gay. The Scouts in that case condemned him for being innocent. What a pack of weasels.

New Jersey resident James Dale was an Eagle Scout who served as an assistant Scoutmaster to a Boy Scout troop. When speaking at Rutgers University, Dale said he was gay and was quoted in a local newspaper. Because of the Scouts' policy forbidding openly gay adult leaders, they told him he could no longer serve as a leader. Dale sued for readmittance and won in a New Jersey Supreme Court decision that was appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court as Boy Scouts of America v. Dale in 2000. The Court reversed the New Jersey decision by a 5-4 vote, ruling that the Boy Scouts could deny the position to Dale based on their right to freedom of association.

en.wikipedia.org

BTW, why should anyone have a right to be a scout leader?


Why should anyone build a social life in a group that discriminates? To be an Eagle Scout means you have spent a lot of time in Scouting. To suddenly be shut out means that you have wasted all that time, and that every friend you thought you made within Scouting is just another Bigot. Better to end the Scouts completely.

Once again, as I mentioned in my first post, someone argues in favor of gay marriage by trashing and heaping scorn on the institution of marriage as it exists. If you despise marriage, renounce it in your own life. If you're married, get a divorce. If you have children, tell them never to get married. And so on. But leave the rest of us alone.

I am not "trashing marriage" I am actually suggesting that those who are married step up to the plate and agree that they get a rather sweet deal on taxes and things like health care, and that perhaps in order to protect the sanctity of the institution that they should give up the financial perks and pay for stuff out of their own pockets. Gay couples can never get the same benefits as a heterosexual couple with no children no matter how long they are together. So why not do the right thing, cherish the religious significance of Marriage and agree that childless couples, or couples whose children are grown, should give up those perks.

Why should single people who are a couple, have to pay extra to support a couple who have had a few religious words said over their union? So marriage should be stripped of financial and tax benefits, so that people are equal.