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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (185877)	11/9/2006 2:49:22 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 793843

We travel to Canada a couple of times or more a year. We got passports for the kids and renewed our own because of the new requirements. It's a danged expensive proposition to outfit a family with passports I'll tell you. Peole with limited means just won't be going to Canada anymore.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (185877)	11/9/2006 3:09:11 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Respond to of 793843

Sorry, I think it takes effect in January if you are flying in, and the passport is not to get into Canada, it is to get back into the US. I have always had a passport, so I don't care, but the Niagara area on both sides is already noticing the difference as people think they already need passports. travel.state.gov Under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) The proposed implementation timeline has two phases: On January 8, 2007, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling by air between the United States and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda will be required to present a valid passport, Air NEXUS card, or U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Document. As early as January 1, 2008, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea (including ferries), may be required to present a valid passport or other documents as determined by the Department of Homeland Security. While recent legislative changes permit a later deadline, the Departments of State and Homeland Security are working to meet all requirements as soon as possible. Ample advance notice will be provided to enable the public to obtain passports or passport cards for land/sea entries

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (185877)	11/9/2006 3:58:32 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793843

Pelosi, Democrats Promised Muslims To Stop “Profiling” "Funny how we never heard about this from our one party media before the elections" sweetness-light.com Pelosi, Democrats Promised Muslims To Stop “Profiling” An article from two years ago that is suddenly very timely again. From CAIR: Funny how we never heard about this from our one party media before the elections sweetness-light.com Pelosi, Democrats Promised Muslims To Stop “Profiling” An article from two years ago that is suddenly very timely again. From CAIR: sweetness-light.com sweetness-light.com Pelosi, Democratic Leaders Hold Roundtable Discussion with Muslim American Leaders Thursday, July 15, 2004 House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Congressman John D. Dingell (D-MI), Congressman John Conyers (D-MI), Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY), and other Congressional Democrats were joined yesterday by national leaders of the Muslim American community in a roundtable discussion on issues of mutual concern to Democrats and Muslim Americans. The discussion centered on working together to defend civil rights and to restore civil liberties. "This discussion is only the first in an ongoing dialogue between Congressional Democrats and Muslim Americans," Pelosi said. "We share a fundamental principle - the belief that diversity is the backbone of our communities. Generations of Muslims have made positive contributions in every aspect of American life. We must now work even more closely to navigate through the challenges we face as a nation." "Since September 11th, many Muslim Americans have been subjected to searches at airports and other locations based upon their religion and national origin, without any credible information linking individuals to criminal conduct," Pelosi continued. "Racial and religious profiling is fundamentally un-American and we must make it illegal. "When the Patriot Act was enacted, it was intended to be accompanied by strong Congressional oversight to prevent abuses of our civil liberties. That oversight has not occurred, particularly with the mass detention campaign ordered by Attorney General Ashcroft, which to date has led to more than 5,000 foreign nationals being detained since September 11th. Moreover, individuals’ assets have been frozen on the basis of secret evidence that they have no opportunity to confront or rebut, and such processes are a fundamental denial of due process. We must correct the Patriot Act to prevent abuses of our civil liberties." Working with Conyers, the Ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, Democrats have introduced legislation to end racial profiling, limit the reach of the Patriot Act, and make immigration safe and accessible. Leader Pelosi is a proud cosponsor of the End Racial Profiling Act, the Security and Freedom Ensured Act (SAFE), and the Safe, Orderly, and Legal Visas Enforcement Act (SOLVE). "These measures are long overdue, and we call on the Republican leadership in Congress to bring them to a vote now," Pelosi said. "As we protect and defend the American people, we must protect and defend the Constitution and the civil rights that define our democracy. Ours is a country of great diversity and we must stand together as one America." The following Democrats also participated in the discussion: former Democratic Whip David Bonior (D-MI), Congressman Gregory Meeks (D-NY), and Congressman Nick Joe Rahall (D-WV). Funny how we never heard about this from our one party media before the elections

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (185877)	11/9/2006 4:55:52 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793843

Bear, I have property in Canada and my kids are dual citizens. We go for extended stays and I don't think this is a big deal. Try bring fire arms into Canada or - God forbid - something you are going to leave there without paying GST. If they minded their borders to other countries with the rigor they apply to collecting GST - we could probably have open borders :-) I was stopped for an hour one time - taking a boat I bought in Canada back there. It was only an hour because I had the paperwork to prove I had paid my GST :-) On the US side - I stopped and asked if I needed to do any paperwork on importing the boat - the guy laughed and said - we have 'Free Trade'. In another incident - when I was living in Seattle my brother-in-law was visiting and I lent him my car to go tour around with. He took it on the ferry to Victoria and it was seized - his Ontario license coupled with a WA tag looked like a felony GST avoidance incident. It was a pain getting my car back. John