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To: E. Charters who wrote (25016)	11/11/2006 1:54:02 PM
From: jackjc	Respond to of 78410

EC you really know this stuff. I had added Resveratrol capsules to my extensive regimen several months ago. Each capsule contains 20mg from whole red grape, and 120mg Quercetin as quercetin dihydrate. Added this per the 'Fantastic voyage' book of Ray Kurzweil and Dr Grossman. Never drank wine, though more than my share of beer, no drinks past 30 yrs.

To: E. Charters who wrote (25016)	11/11/2006 2:27:21 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 78410

Thanks for the info EC. I also read somewhere that reservatrol (sic-lol) reduces cell death by 70%??

To: E. Charters who wrote (25016)	11/11/2006 4:41:35 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78410

It's an example of the never ending quest to answer the unanswerable. Trying to find a 'this causing a that', or 'this will fix that'. The billions frittered away on these quests would be sick if it weren't for the military frittering away so much more! :) DAK

To: E. Charters who wrote (25016)	11/11/2006 6:41:02 PM
From: John McCarthy	Respond to of 78410

EC FWIW I cannot produce the link or the study but red wines were looked at by american researchers in the (as I recall) late 80's ... the thrust of the study I read back then is along the lines of this post which I JUST found with a google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: TomGuy Regulation is good, to a point. Some of this stuff they sell is poor quality and misleading. For example, 5-HTP should be served in an enterically coated capsule to be effective. Not all the natural suppliers do that. And the most recent and biggest discovery I think has to do with what's called resveratrol, which triggers the same reaction caused by the SIRT-2 gene in centenarians: it tells your body to "keep repairing itself and live on", regardless of your current age. Resveratrol appears in abundance in Pinot Noir red wines; the very wines that those fat, sugar, meat eating french folks living to be 100 were consuming. It was called the "French Paradox" b/c they were doing everything doctors tell us not to do - bad food, smoking, etc., yet they were living forever. It was b/c of the high resveratrol content in their wine. Resveratrol, and the SIRT-2 gene, appear to almost completely dominate human health. Everything else appears to just be a band-aid you can apply when the body doesn't repair itself by sufficiently strong signalling from SIRT-2 genes. That's just a genetic roll of the dice; either you've got a strong SIRT-2 response or you don't. But the catch is that it's really hard to 'capture' this chemical in a pill form. Alcohol is a natural preservative for it but in a pill form it breaks down before you consume it. And there are a lot of companies selling worthless resveratrol tablets b/c they are not regulated. Currently, the only effective way to consume resveratrol and get the 'SIRT effect' is to drink Pinot Noir wines. So, I think there's good and bad in the regulation issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please note that this LINKS starts out with YOUR thoughts on the topic .... freerepublic.com finally, here are some thoughts from a cardo center in Indiana .... written by a cardo doctor ... Please note the emphasis on Pinot Noir red wines; cebudoctorsuniversity.edu regards, John