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To: SiouxPal who wrote (87755)	11/11/2006 2:50:48 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362659

How's about we call them Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria?

To: SiouxPal who wrote (87755)	11/11/2006 2:51:22 PM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362659

I think that you're correct...........something like Yugoslavia. they will still go at it over oil but it will lessen the violence. we'll still have to intercede when ethnic cleansing starts again ( just like Kosovo ) but it'll cut our losses short and give them independence. Turkey is dead set against an independent Kurdistan so there's another war waiting to happen..........perhaps a civil war in Turkey or some serious internal violence will also precipitate from Bush's Iraq folly.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (87755)	11/11/2006 3:24:46 PM
From: Sea Otter	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 362659

I ran into a real live Iraqi last week. He's a Shiite. Has lived in the US for 20 years, working as a medical doctor. Since the Iraqi liberation and the advent of peace, freedom and democracy there, he has traveled back to Iraq several times (once narrowly avoiding a bullet). His take: Iraqis are gonna have one helluva big civil war (what is happening now is merely the warmup). Doesn't matter what the US does or doesn't do, a meltdown will happen. Too much pent up hatred, too many crazy religious types, too much oil, too many guns. Nothing will be settled until they have the full chance to kill each other. And then the Kurds, Sunni and Shia will simply go their separate ways, sans a million or do dead people. He claimed this view was pretty much the accepted one on the Iraqi street. He was pretty convincing. He also said the war was going to come to the US in a big way. They evil-doers are itching to come here and add some Americans to the body count. He was convincing here, as well. In short, SiouxPal - I bet you wil win your bet.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (87755)	11/11/2006 4:54:47 PM
From: twmoore	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362659

The way that I see a possible solution to Iraq is to have three states that all answer to a central government in Baghdad. Three separate states with one of them owning all of the known oil wealth is just not feasible.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (87755)	11/11/2006 7:32:08 PM
From: ThirdEye	Respond to of 362659

A three state division of Iraq would be something like creating a three state division of America--one each for Europeans, Asians and Latinos. Can you imagine the upheaval? Easy for us to sit here and say that's the thing to do. But Turkey will have none of it. And Baghdad's 8 million are all mixed up. AAnd the south is not all shiite.

To: SiouxPal who wrote (87755)	11/11/2006 10:10:42 PM
From: Triffin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 362659

I'm still predicting a 3-state reorganization of Iraq, so if that happens blow me a kiss. Our policy should be to help the folks there re-rationalize along whatever ethnic/religious/ geographic divisions they want .. Bring all parties to the table and say that we're there to assist in a 'peaceful' restructuring of the region .. There is no Iraq .. Just some lines on a map that the Brits drew a long time ago .. The UN can 'run' Baghdad until the Kurds/Sunnis/Shias etc can prove that they're capable of running it themselves The oil revenues can be 'shared' a la the Alaska model .. US forces stop serving as the Baghdad Police Department .. Triff ..