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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (24855)	11/11/2006 11:16:09 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"And what's wrong with going for a queen, instead of the ones who aren't ready?" Excuse a bit of levity, but there are certainly problems if you are a bee. "it will soon die because the reproductive organ and associated abdominal tissues are ripped from the drone's body as copulation occurs." en.wikipedia.org This may also occur in human species but I am not likely to test it... Good post, btw. "Can we not experience disgust without it being a product of religious moralizing?" I am 100% certain we can make moral judgements and promote moral values outside of any religious framework. And people can also choose to let their values be determined through obeisance to a particular religious dogma or leader. I prefer values flowing from a rational base, and I distrust those developed in ancient thinking in prescientific (prerational) times. You are quite right that behavior permissible between adults is inappropriate for children.

To: one_less who wrote (24855)	11/12/2006 2:41:32 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

<For most, it seems to be personal choice rather than something they feel bound to only as a matter of religious commandment.> That's the point... where do you think these ideas came from? The most ardent anti-religionist's morals and practices have been shaped by religion. <So I don't see why it is a big deal to mention that some people find joy in dance that isn't sexually suggestive and prefer to avoid dancing in ways that is, for the same reasons.> It's not a 'big deal'... OTOH, subtlety is the basis for all 'big deals'. :) < As I recall, you described yourself as a youngman who likes to take his liesure at bars in pursuit of a sexual encounter.> Nope... I'm going to turn 50 next year... haven't been in a bar looking to meet ladies in a long time. < I can see how any limits on that type of pursuit would seem like an offense to the man on the make. > Not for me... but OTOH those looking down their noses at that type of behaviour do exhibit the moralism I'm speaking of IMHO. Actually, if they were really 'all right' with it, it probably wouldn't even occur to them as being anything special at all. It wouldn't even come to mind. <Reducing the topic to religious moralism (what you called disgust over sex) seems some what like black and white thinking. > Good point. And I'm sure we could go on and on trying to figure out exactly what we mean... like any other topic. <Can we not experience disgust without it being a product of religious moralizing?> Of course... open a plastic bag full of dead somethings and magots. But that wasnt the topic. <Some are uncomfortable with bump and grind dancing and it may have nothing to do with their general view of sex or as a product of their religion. > Or it may. <For example, tulips and bees also are rarely faced with decisions about whether to have a tramatizing abortion or go on welfare roles with children that they are not ready to deal with and can't support, or with guys who love em and leave em.> Right... they don't have birth control. -ggg- OTOH, most of the above is societal judgement, much of which has it's basis in the Christian religion. DAK DAK