To: Wharf Rat who wrote (208345 ) 11/14/2006 1:09:28 PM From: Brumar89 Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 Nah, my question was how would the leftwing hordes deal with Bush not being removed from office as they fantasize?I think Hillary is a great idea." You're putting me on. Nope, I think she would lose. But even if elected, would probably do less damage than any other leftwing Democrat."You'll be tapping phones and bank accounts of foreign terrorists?" Domestic terrorists. O'Reilly. Savage. Coulter. And maybe she'll want to get Rush just for calling the 12 year old Chelsea the WH dawg. That certainly incites terrorists. She could do that. No reasons, no explanations, no notice, no lawyers, no judges. Just a whim. And the biggest domestic threat to us; self admitted... That's exactly what we've been saying about you leftists. Bush wages war on terrorists. And Democrats wage war on Bush and Republicans. We were right all along."who kind of troops are you gonna use to wage war on Ann Coulter and the Republican party". Troops? FBI. Federal Marshals.DHS. Whoever does the domestic terror busts now. That's why we pay them. And they'll work as your Gestapo? What if they won't - who ya gonna get?John Yoo Smart guy who thinks we should defend the country against foreign terrorists. No wonder you don't like him. Like Campbell, many Berkeley faculty members, students, and administrators are particularly alarmed about the Patriot Act's potential impact on academic freedom and on individual rights to read, speak, and publish without fear. Apparently no individuals rights to read, speak or publish have been damaged in the last 5 yrs.It prohibits students or scholars from a handful of countries from participating in sensitive research, and forbids publishing the results of such studies. Good idea. .. During an animated discussion of the law at the Academic Senate meeting last April, Campbell urged the campus administration to resist warrants served under the act in order to challenge the law in court. Why haven't they done so? Could it be there have been no such warrants? ...Before the Patriot Act, Congress did allow a narrow exception to the "probable cause" standard for investigations of foreign espionage. To obtain a search warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), passed in 1978, the FBI only has to certify to a judge that it believes someone is a foreign agent. The FBI also is not required to notify the subject of the search. A secret federal court hears these special FISA cases. The Patriot Act expands the use of the FISA court. Agents can now obtain search warrants by telling a judge that part of their investigation is "related to" terrorism--a lower standard than "probable cause." Since a criminal investigation can be "related to" a terrorist investigation, the traditional wall that separated FBI agents who pursue criminals and those who pursue foreign agents has been broken down. In fact, that is one of the act's purposes. Some blamed this division for the failure to predict the September 11 attacks. And rightly so. This is all good. ...Although the report found no negative impacts in the areas reviewed--records and research Hey, I was right.--a new task force will focus on the law's adverse effects on foreign students and scholars coming to Berkeley. The next report is due January 1. "There's a lot of anecdotal evidence of problems," said Koshland. "We want to say: 'Here's our data. Here's the drop-off in foreign visitors and students. Here's the loss of revenue.' Then we may have grounds for persuading our legislators to alter the law." Yeah, I'm sure they need more Hamas and Hezbollah members at Berkeley. alumni.berkeley.edu