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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Richnorth who wrote (8608)	11/14/2006 6:50:53 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 224668

then you are in big trouble in hoser land

To: Richnorth who wrote (8608)	11/14/2006 10:37:25 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224668

There's always a way to overcome gullible radicals. Giuliani is clever...he'll use cardboard cutouts of dark-eyed virgins to convince the terrorists they're already dead. When they lay down their weapons to examine the human rewards, he'll pounce.

To: Richnorth who wrote (8608)	11/14/2006 10:44:12 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Respond to of 224668

Voters already disillusioned-Poll: Most doubt Dems have plan for Iraq By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - More Americans rank Iraq as the top priority of the new Democratic-controlled Congress, but nearly three out of five say the party does not have a plan to deal with the war. In the aftermath of an anti-Republican wave, the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed lingering uncertainty about the country's direction and the ability of Democrats and President Bush to work together. Underscoring the country's political divisions, Democrats expressed more confidence and optimism than Republicans. The poll was conducted Nov. 10-12 as the public adjusted to Washington's new division of labor, with President Bush in the White House and Democrats holding the reins of Congress for the first time in 12 years. While voters in Election Day surveys said corruption and scandal in Congress was one of the most important factors in their vote, the postelection poll showed that 37 percent of all adults said the war in Iraq should be at the top of the congressional agenda during the next two years. The issue of terrorism, the second most mentioned priority, was ranked highest by 15 percent of those polled. Though voters apparently embraced the Democratic mantra of changing course in Iraq, a majority of the public did not detect a clear Democratic blueprint for ending the war. Fifty-seven percent of all adults in the AP-Ipsos poll said Democrats do not have a plan for Iraq; 29 percent said they do. The poll of 1,002 adults has a margin of error of 3 percentage points. That finding strikes at the heart of a Democratic dilemma. The party has been of one voice in criticizing President Bush's strategy for the war but has been more equivocal on how to move in a different direction. Democrats such as Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts and Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania want a fixed deadline to pull all troops out of the country. Other Democrats, including some party leaders, have voiced support for a staggered withdrawal that demands greater responsibility from the Iraqis. The public's perception was reinforced during the campaign, when President Bush time and again told voters that the Democrats had little to offer on the war. "Everyone agrees that we're going to have to begin redeployment," Rep. Ike Skelton (news, bio, voting record), D-Mo., said of the Democratic position. Skelton, in line to become chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, has proposed withdrawing a U.S. brigade for every three Iraqi combat brigades rated fully capable. Skelton opposes setting a timetable for withdrawal but said at least one U.S. battalion or brigade should pull out promptly. "It should send a clear message to the Iraqi government, the Iraqi people and the American people that we're not there to stay," he said. No doubt, the election results have put Democrats in something of a box, said Stephen Biddle, a defense policy expert at the Council of Foreign Relations. "It's a very, very awkward thing to run a war from the Congress," he said. In separate interviews, some voters appeared sympathetic. John Rodon, a retiree from Green Bay, Wis., said the situation in Iraq is "a big mistake" and voted for a Democrat for Congress. He doubted, however, that the Democrats would solve the war. "I don't think anybody has an answer for this," he said.