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To: Elroy who wrote (208467)	11/15/2006 4:36:03 AM
From: see clearly now	Respond to of 281500

"FIASCO" ..everything that this non government, government had done in the last five years is/was a "FIASCO".

To: Elroy who wrote (208467)	11/15/2006 9:12:50 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"If Iraq is a "failure", it will be a failure of and by the people who live there, who are 99.9% Iraqi." Sorry Elroy, but just as Vietnam is today regarded as a MASSIVE foreign policy blunder of the Unitied States, the blame for which falls on the "deciders" of the time, LBJ and then Nixon, Iraq will be regarded the same way. The Republicans are trying to spin the meme that the Iraqis just don't seem to DESERVE or want democracy enough, but history won't buy it. It's just a useful excuse right now. The spinners of the time tried the same with the corrupt governments we put up in Vietnam, and saying the S. Vietnamese just didn't WANT it as much as the North. History didn't buy it then either. Bush screwed the pooch in Iraq, a complete, MASSIVE foreign policy failure. One the will have lasting negative effects, long after Bush is gone. Just as with LBJ, people won't forget who's ultimately responsible. Only with Iraq, Bush was even more the top war pimp and cheerleader than LBJ was with Vietnam.

To: Elroy who wrote (208467)	11/15/2006 10:44:53 AM
From: Noel de Leon	Respond to of 281500

"If Iraq is a "failure", it will be a failure of and by the people who live there, who are 99.9% Iraqi. Just as Zimbabwe is a Zimbabwean failure and Sudan is a Sudanese failure, if Iraq become a failed state the failure will be on the part of the members, not outside parties." Does that mean that if Iraq is a "success", it will be a success of and by the people who live there, who are 99.9% Iraqi? Or is it reasonable to expect that those Republicans and Democrats who voted for the invasion and the neocons and the Bush gang will claim a little bit of credit?