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To: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck who wrote (17894)	11/19/2006 10:14:56 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

Dutch Muslims condemn burqa ban news.bbc.co.uk The proposed burqa ban comes ahead of Dutch elections Dutch Muslims have criticised a government proposal to ban women from wearing the burqa or veils which cover the face in public places. Dutch Muslim groups say a ban would make the country's one million Muslims feel victimised and alienated. The Dutch cabinet said burqas - a full body covering that also obscures the face - disturb public order and safety. The decision comes days ahead of elections which the ruling centre-right coalition is expected to win. The proposed ban would apply to wearing the burqa in the street, and in trains, schools, buses and law courts in the Netherlands. Other forms of face coverings, such as veils, and crash helmets with visors that obscure the face, would also be covered by a ban. Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, who is known for her tough policies, said it was important that all people in the Netherlands were able to see and identify each other clearly to promote integration and tolerance. Last year a majority of MPs in the Dutch parliament said they were in favour of a ban. An estimated 6% of 16 million people living in the Netherlands are Muslims. But there are thought to be fewer than 100 women who choose to wear the burqa, a traditional Islamic form of dress. Civil rights debate The latest move came after an expert committee judged that it would not contravene Dutch law. [It is] undesirable that face-covering clothing is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens Rita Verdonk The Islamic veil in Europe Why women wear the veil Send us your comments Ms Verdonk insisted the burqa was not an acceptable part of public life in the Netherlands. "The Cabinet finds it undesirable that face-covering clothing - including the burqa - is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens," she said. The minister told the BBC that social interaction would be easier if faces were not covered. "It is very important that we can see each other and can communicate with each other. Because we are so tolerant we want to respect each other." Critics of the proposed ban say it would violate civil rights. The main Muslim organisation in the Netherlands, CMO, said the plan was an "over-reaction to a very marginal problem", the Associated Press reported. Naima Azough, an MP with the opposition Green party who is also Muslim, said the ban was not in keeping with the country's history of tolerance and said the Dutch government was playing on people's fears of Islamic extremism to win votes. "It has to do with radicalisation, it has to do with fears and the absolute reality of radicalisation amongst Muslim youngsters. "The problem is only that you can't say that every person wearing a niqab or hijab or burqa - whatever you call it - is a radical," she said. The Mayor of Amsterdam, Job Cohen, said he opposed the wearing of burqas in public and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should not expect welfare benefits. "From the perspective of integration and communication, it is obviously very bad because you can't see each other so the fewer the better. "But actually hardly anybody wears one... The fuss is much bigger than the number of people concerned," he said. Tension The issue of the type of clothing worn by Muslim women has become a hotly-debated subject in a range of European countries. France has passed a law banning religious symbols, including Muslim headscarves, from schools. Find out about different styles of Muslim headscarf In graphics Some German states ban teachers in public schools from wearing headscarves, but there is no blanket rule against burqas. Italy has banned face-coverings, resurrecting old laws passed to combat domestic terrorism, while citing new security fears. The issue of Muslim women's dress also surfaced in the UK, when former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw sparked controversy when he said he felt uncomfortable talking to someone whose face he could not see. The Dutch relationship with its Muslim community has been under scrutiny since the murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh by Islamic extremists in November 2004. Earlier this year Ms Verdonk clashed with a minority party in the governing coalition over her handling of the citizenship case of Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The MP scripted a controversial film about the treatment of women in Islamic society, directed by van Gogh before he was killed. But she admitted lying on her 1992 application for Dutch citizenship, and Ms Verdonk initially called for the MP to be deported.

To: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck who wrote (17894)	11/19/2006 10:50:08 AM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 32591

I went home to Cornwall to see where my family came from. Our house still stands, although we left it in 1901, and the chickens and ducks and geese who live there seem rather comfortable. The new house, build next door in 1922 seems far more comfortable and more gracious. The old house about as big as my living room and dining room, housed 13 people in the old days. We don't celebrate that part of our culture. But we celebrate Jamaican Culture. A culture where people get murdered during elections, and we promote Haitian Culture, how many times have we tried to civilize Haiti with no reasonable effect. We promoted Serbian and Bosnian culture, so that we had to mount guards on the Serbian cultural center in case of attack by the Bosnians. and now we promote Muslim Culture and try to accommodate them. It is time we woke up. The culture in Jamaica is hostile, drug ridden, poverty stricken and people get killed there regularly. The culture of Haiti is not even that nice, and the Culture of Muslims is violent oppressive and Muslims commit Genocide just because they can. Muslims do not allow opposition, or religious freedom where they control the government. It is time to say to our Muslims adapt or go home. If you want to drive a cab, obey the rules or find another job. Dogs here work, they are eyes and ears for people who need them, adapt or find another job. In our culture people who wear masks are either surgeons, or bandits. If you are not in surgery or committing a robbery, don't wear them, there is an option, stay home, or go home. Our culture, our way of life has provided more food, more wealth, for more people than any culture in history. We are doing something right. Get with the program or get out. Any politician who disagrees, needs to get a different job.