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To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (754902)11/23/2006 6:43:20 PM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
What free press??? the one that gets memos from a Kinkos in Abilene to ILLEGALLY influence a Presidential election. That 'free press' ?



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (754902)11/23/2006 10:05:57 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™  Respond to of 769670
 
It's clear to me that you have no clue...

GZ



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (754902)11/24/2006 12:14:12 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
Shoppers Mob Malls for Holiday Discounts


By MICHAEL BARBARO
Published: November 24, 2006
At 6 a.m. this morning in Times Square, a line of shoppers several hundred deep burst through the doors of Toys “R” Us and promptly formed a second, equally long line to buy the season’s must-have product: T.M.X. Elmo.


Marko Georgiev for The New York Times
Shoppers lined up in front of the Toys "R" Us store in Times Square for the traditional start of holiday shopping.

Shoppers rushed through the main entrance at Macy's Herald Square as soon as the doors opened at 6 a.m. on "Black Friday" in Manhattan.
The standard, morning-after-Thanksgiving retail behavior ensued — pushing, shouting, grabbing — until the dolls sold out and a frustrated crowd of Elmo-less consumers fanned out across the store in search of a substitute.

“Complete madness” was how 16-year-old Ray Robinson, who snatched one of the last Elmos, described the scene.

Across the country today, millions of Americans mobbed malls, swarmed discount stores and filled downtown shopping districts in an annual retail ritual that marks the start of holiday shopping season.

Eager to attract large crowds, merchants opened their doors even earlier than last year, testing the limits of sleep deprivation.

CompUSA let customers in at 9 p.m. last night. A dozen malls, from Utah to Maine, experimented with a midnight start. And Wal-Mart, Best Buy and J.C. Penney began ringing up sales at 5 a.m. (A 6 a.m. opening at Target seemed downright quaint.)

And come they did. At 6 a.m., the lines outside Macy’s Herald Square store in Manhattan spanned several blocks. “I have not seen a crowd this size in years,” said Terry J. Lundgren, the chief executive of Macy’s parent company, Federated Department Stores. “It is off to a brisk start.”

After months of hand-wringing over whether higher gas prices and a weak housing market would restrain consumer spending in the crucial November-to-December period, merchants are now predicting an above-average holiday season.

The National Retail Federation, the industry’s largest trade group, forecast a 5 percent sales increase, to $457.4 billion, compared with last year. The figure is well above the industry’s performance from 2000 to 2002, when retail sales growth topped out at 3.4 percent, but it falls short of the last two seasons, when they achieved increases of more than 6 percent.

To ensure a strong start, retailers dangled deep discounts this morning from 5 a.m. to noon. As if in lockstep, Macy’s, Sears, J.C. Penney and Kohl’s slapped $10 coupons onto the fronts of their circulars (with conditions); Gap offered a 30 percent discount (with a purchase of $50 or more); and Kmart reduced the price of sweaters by 50 percent.

And, of course, there were early-morning doorbuster deals — a 20-inch LCD television for $248 at Wal-Mart, a 6.1 megapixel digital camera for $98 at Target and a wireless keyboard and mouse for $19.98 at Staples.

“Sold out, sold out, sold out,” intoned the manager at the Staples on Fifth Avenue this morning at 7 a.m. “When?” asked an incredulous customer. “An hour ago,” said the manager, which happens to be when the store opened.

At Saks Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, salespeople greeted hundreds of bleary-eyed customers with Krispy Kreme donuts and coffee — and a 40 percent off sale on designer handbags.

“It’s a good deal,” said Cari McHale, as she prepared to buy a Coach satchel bag, regularly $170, for $102. “It’s a few seasons old,” she said of the bag, which bore denim patches and leather trim, “but it will go well with my jeans.”



To: BEEF JERKEY who wrote (754902)12/2/2006 1:11:02 AM
From: Dan B.  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
RE: "As for the "liberal" media thats mostly a myth anyway."

No, not at all. It's mostly been true, if changing. Face it, if you don't consider Limbaugh as mainstream, and I'm sure you don't, the media is objectively liberal. You know the routine, and it's true. Going back in time, about 80+% of everyone from the top down in the "mainstream" media I grew up with pre-limbaugh, was an admitted liberal or Democrat, and percentages like that still hold true at those networks and newer networks to boot. Liberal media employees slanted the "mainstream" news to the left for decades, and continue to do so.

Along came Limbaugh, causing the Right to be both astounded and overjoyed that someone, anyone, is allowed to have the airtime to express something of the point of view of the right, and naturally he becomes very popular (not to belittle the fact that his personality and humor is a big part of his success). Liberals from their perch built of the past, cry foul. This would be fair turnabout if only it weren't true that the mainstream has been mainly liberal in fact. Only a liberal ignoring objective evidence could possibly deny that old media companies were mostly and largely remain, biased to the left.

You might accept that when it comes to the notion of a pro-war bias for the Iraq conflict, it was certainly a two party bias for war which prevailed. Had Democrats been against it, the old guard mainstream would have shared and pushed their view at the start. But Democrats were in fact in agreement with action in Iraq. This is true, and fully explains why I say it is not such a terrible surprise that the liberal mind changed, but it is a crock that the liberal mind attempts to solely blame Bush and "neocons" for something liberals themselves in the main felt was appropriate in the first place, not just media and/or Bush.

Dan B.