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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (312615)	11/27/2006 3:00:01 PM
From: Alighieri	Respond to of 1572645

They never proposed any spending cuts, except those related to Iraq and the military. This even as they accused Rumsfeld of running a war on the cheap and denying combat armor to our troops. I voted against the bill (paygo) before i voted for it (paygo) Remember paygo? It probably lost a dem the election. Al

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (312615)	11/27/2006 3:15:57 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572645

"Democrats stood for nothing but obstructionism. " Not exactly true. "They never proposed any spending cuts, except those related to Iraq and the military." But, even if true, so what? They weren't the ones driving the explosion in the budget. They weren't the ones getting the bulk of the earmarks. They weren't the ones awarding no-bid contracts. "This even as they accused Rumsfeld of running a war on the cheap and denying combat armor to our troops." That was much more than a simple accusation. We went in with plenty of troops to win against Iraq, but we didn't have enough troops to actually secure the place. If we had actually secured all those ammo dumps we captured, there would have been less material for the insurgents to make IEDs. We still haven't managed to secure the few miles of road to the airport in Bagdad. "Meanwhile, the abuses at Abu Ghraib and those allegedly going on in Gitmo were being taken to the very extreme by those who stood to benefit the most politically." Whether or not political hay is made, the fact of the matter is that what went on in Abu Ghraib shouldn't have. If those things hadn't of been going on, then there wouldn't have been hay to make. As it were. It weakens our position and strengthens the opposition. Even if it hadn't of become common knowledge in this country, the Iraqis would have known. "How much do you think that hurt the morale of our troops?" Didn't improve it, that is for sure. But you don't do their morale any good by lying to them. "How much impact do you think that had on our military commanders who are now pressured to do everything in a "politically correct" manner, despite the fact that war can never be fought in such a way?" And you know this, how? We can't win a war that requires us to abuse captives. We, as Americans, don't like our troops to torture, abuse and murder captives. We do realize that war is dangerous and deadly, but we have felt that captives need to be treated humanely. We insisted on it during WWII, and even had some German POWs that emigrated back after the war because they liked the communities where they were interred. Besides, as our own people who have been held captive and abused by their captors will tell you, it doesn't do any good. It is almost impossible to get actionable intelligence through such methods. You get a whole lot more by treating them humanely and relying on the equivalent of the Stockholm syndrome. "How often have the Dems pushed standards that they know can never be met by any administration, Republican or Democrat?" I don't know what you are talking about here.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (312615)	11/27/2006 3:19:57 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 1572645

It is very patriotic to OBSTRUCT radical and damaging Bushie failed and corrupt policies. It's what the majority of the people want, it's way voters gave Democrats both houses and it's why the majority of people say they want Bush impeached if any evidence showed he deliberately lied to us about the WMD, which of course he did. That said, Democrats have plenty of proactive positive bills they're going to be passing, many important ones which will benefit the people of the country, our environment, our military, and many more important concerns.